Sam Gleske (sam.mxracer@xxxxxxxxx) wrote: > I'm curious to hear Simon's opinions since he openly admitted he was one of > the "against" parties. Ok, so let me detail some of my concerns. I want to have it clear however, that this is not some sort of "official" statement from the gimp team, this is just my personal opinion. Also there are multiple issues which I'd like to consider separately, although of course there are interconnections: First there is this connection to the SourceForge issue. Some time ago we did a deliberate move away from SF and we got a tremendous public response on that. With that as background we need to consider, that a move towards a different commercial hosting platform probably will be perceived as an endorsement of this platform. We have proven in the past that we do very conscious decisions on our software distribution, so Steam somewhat gets the seal of approval from the gimp team. And rest assured that a decision in favor of Steam will be news. I am not sure if I am willing to accept this responsibility. I don't have the impression that we carefully evaluated the privacy implications of that move, and we don't know a lot on "how good" steam as a platform is. Given that we don't really have an urgent problem with making gimp available to people I don't see any benefit for us that would compensate for the "Steam-advertizing". Secondly I believe that we have a certain responsibility towards the privacy of our users. By using Steam we are encouraging people to create an account there, provide download statistics as well as (to an unknown extent) usage data. We let them generate marketing data for Valve, which they can use to targeted offerings to their users, depending on their documented gimp download. If Gimp is the reason why someone creates a steam account: do we want to accept this responsibility? I know that I am preaching to my friends and family about how to use adblock and reducing the data footprint in the net. For myself I am going through a lot of troubles to minimize me being a data source as well as being locked into certain technologies. It would be disingenious for me (and that includes me as a gimp contributor) to advertize Steam. Thirdly there is the philosophical (and most complicated) aspect: Is this "store" way of distributing software something we can accept and use for ourselves? By "store" I am referring to the commercially controlled software repositories, for the sake of this discussion I am limiting myself to itunes, google play and steam. Here commercial entities set the conditions for access to their userbase. The most blatant example is apple, where developers have to pay fees to be able to provide the software to their users - and free software seems to be incompatible with the conditions of the store. Certainly there are varying degrees of strings attached to the respective stores. But we have to realize that the conditions for a store are subject to change depending on money-making interests. By using a store we are submitting ourselves to the conditions of the store, we (who?) have to accept the terms and conditions of that store. Should later something change we have to abandon the users which got gimp through steam - we lose "our" communication channel to them. To me it feels like we are losing some of our freedom. On the other side this "store" approach to software distribution is a highly competitive market, which works by segregating the users into different camps and keeping them hostage there. We see it with the smartphones: suddenly it is quite important what brand of smartphone you have, because the software offerings are quite different. The users lose their freedom to install the software they need, because the device determines the software available to them. Dual-booting into different OSes as a workaround for specific software needs is generally impossible on smartphones, switching to a different camp means that you lose the software you bought and/or installed. I worry about the attempts to introduce this kind of software distribution to the PC market, because we are already seeing the mechanisms being developed to make dual-booting harder, introducing DRM into the whole chain of hard/software, and "stores" are becoming a thing for PCs as well. I am assuming that we will see more of that and we might end up in the same disaster as with smartphones. I don't want that and I don't want to endorse the development in this direction. To me the philosophical aspect of Free Software is important and I think it is vital for our future, that users keep the freedom to tinker with their devices. I realize that this is a forward looking statement - using Steam will not immediately result in the loss of said freedoms. But I really don't like the development in this direction and would like to avoid backing it. TL;DR: Nope, I don't like it. Bye, Simon PS: I realize that there is a lot where one could quibble about the details. The discussion above is quite Meta, so to me the actual details (like what are the *actual* conditions of the Steam store) don't matter very much - especially since business transactions easily can change the game quickly and without warning: I find it hilarious how suddenly WhatsApp-users are scrambeling for alternatives since WhatsApp got bought by Facebook. -- simon@xxxxxxxx http://simon.budig.de/ _______________________________________________ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address: gimp-developer-list@xxxxxxxxx List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list