Well, the thing I like most on Gimp is that you can squasch and squeeze it the way you want. I teach classes for adults how to use Gimp. And the first thing my pupils do is to learn how to insert new dialogs and how to optimize the toolbox. I work with a beamer in my classes and most of them have a resolution of 800 x 600. So most of the time there does no picture fit between the two dialog-boxes. So I tend to place the tollbox in a long line above the picture-window and place the tool-options in the top of the dialog-box. That gives me at least a bit of space to open a photo. I know, that a lot of people have different needs, so it's realy only a case of making it as flexible as possible. The dialog-boxes on the left side is a very good idea in my opinion. I made the same experiences with windows users. The fist thing they do is closing the dialog-box Just my 2cents Anke gimp-developer-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx schrieb: > Send Gimp-developer mailing list submissions to > gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gimp-developer-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gimp-developer-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Gimp-developer digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (Alexia Death) > 2. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (Guillermo Espertino) > 3. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (gg@xxxxxxxxxxx) > 4. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (Alexia Death) > 5. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (Sven Neumann) > 6. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (Sven Neumann) > 7. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (Guillermo Espertino) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:29:40 +0300 > From: Alexia Death <alexiadeath@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 > To: "gimp-devel" <gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <200808232229.41242.alexiadeath@xxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" > > On Saturday 23 August 2008 13:19:35 Sven Neumann wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 11:18 +0300, Alexia Death wrote: >> >>> In my opinion this layout(thin toolbox, one large dock) is preferable to >>> first time users. It has familiarity. They wont feel lost when GIMP loads >>> for the first time. >>> >> For a new GIMP user it is crucial that the tool-options are always fully >> visible and your proposed setup does not meet this simple criterion. >> > Tool options can be locked in place as the top of the dock set and > that criterion is filled. Toolbox locked tool options do not serve that purpose > any better. That little bit you save in scrolling if you dock your tool > options under toolbox is in my opinion hardly worth the space a second full- > width docker takes from the space reserved for the primary objective, working > on your image. > > I think I need to state that my image was not an "exactly like this" proposal. > There are altogether three points it tries to make. First, the image window > needs to be incorporated into the default layout. Second, two dock sets take > too much space(literally, on a smaller screen with two docks they can take up > 2/3 of the screen.) and third, a bit of familiarity for the first time > users(separate, 2 line toolbox) can not hurt. Yes, tool options need to be > visible by default and so does layers dialog, I agree... But that is secondary > to the generic layout. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:44:40 -0300 > From: Guillermo Espertino <gespertino@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 > To: gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <1219520680.7330.17.camel@ohweb01a> > Content-Type: text/plain > > If you check this list's log you'll learn that the layout you suggest > has already been proposed about a year ago. > I know because I did it. > Later I proposed that layout again in my brainstorm entry about the > no-image-open dialog. > > I used that layout for several months, but I changed my mind. And now > I'm using a totally different one. > > http://www.ohweb.com.ar/screenshots/one-window-layout.png > > The screen space usage is addressed too, and I have all in one (I have > one window button less in the bottom panel with gimp 2.4, and that's > good). This shows that a single problem may have more than one solution > (although this solution has the disadvantage of being only useful with > high screen resolutions). > > One of the Gimp's strengths is being able to customize the UI to have > your layout, my layout and differents layouts, depending on what are > your needs. > > But, in other hand, Gimp has a problem with it's default layout (in my > oppinion). And it's not the lack of familiarity with photoshop or > whatsoever. > They tell us that this layout is better for new users, but every new > user I know (mostly when they come from windows) the first thing they do > is closing the right docker (trying to close the program). And they > loose it forever (they have to re-construct it if they want it back). > That's overkill. > That's one of the things that make gimp's UI look weird for newcomers. > And that's frequently a problem with multiple windows UIs. You don't > know what X closes the program and you end up closing other windows. > > I'd try to address this problem instead of thinking on mimicking other > programs UIs looking for "familiarity". > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:51:51 +0200 > From: gg@xxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 > To: alexiadeath@xxxxxxxxx, gimp-devel > <gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <op.ugcuspogtxpshh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 > > On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:29:40 +0200, Alexia Death <alexiadeath@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > >> and third, a bit of familiarity for the first time >> users(separate, 2 line toolbox) can not hurt. >> > > -- ---------------------------------- Anke Lange Beethovenstraße 3 49593 Bersenbrück Telefon: 05439 609770 E-Mail: gimp-werkstatt@xxxxxx home: www.edv-schulungen-lange.de home: www.gimp-werkstatt.de home: www.kompozer-web.de St-Nr: 67/ 12604781 _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
