hello. kingping does not want to discuss my bug report without some discussion on this list. i should have waited until mitch was around (i think). anyways, i was discussing weird browser issues at the mozilla developer day. the only problem i have seen with ie and mozilla writing web pages differently is in how they make tables. ie needs more pixels for whatever reason. since a pixel is a pixel someone must have screwed up somewhere and started counting pixels with "1" instead of "0". i was playing with the ifscompose plug-in and noticed a difference in the tutorial that owen wrote to go with the plugin: http://www.gtk.org/~otaylor/IfsCompose/ifs_tutorial/tutorial.html and the current plugin in which the first fractii now starts with 1 and not with 0 the way owen wrote it. any discussion of this will be endured. thanks, carol