The problems Raphael is having building Gimp-print and Gimp 1.2.3 suggest to me that the various components that make up the package may not be grouped together most effectively. Gimp-print includes the following components: 1) libgimpprint, the core driver component, which implements the actual printer driver and provides an API that applications (typically spooler-specific driver executables) can link against. 2) The Gimp Print plugin 3) CUPS driver 4) Traditional Ghostscript driver 5) IJS-based Ghostscript driver 6) Foomatic data generator 7) escputil (Epson Stylus printer management utility) 8) lexmarkutil (Lexmark printer management utility) 9) Unit tests 10) Developer tools (unprint, parse-escputil) 11) Sample images 12) User manual (describing the Gimp plugin, configuring the CUPS driver, and escputil) 13) Developer's manual 14) Test pattern generator This covers a lot of territory, perhaps too much. Certainly there are some design choices, particularly in 4.2, that are dictated by our project being the support project for the Gimp print facility, but are now coming back to bite us. Certainly the idea of the Gimp generating raw printer output seems strange (to me, at any rate). There are some other oddities, such as escputil, that are more closely related to the notion of a printer driver but which really operate independently of the rest of the package. One could argue that libgimpprint would make a perfectly coherent package strictly on its own, even though it's completely useless without anything else using it. After all, libc is clearly a coherent package even though it does absolutely nothing without applications that link against it. The various library clients (CUPS driver and PPD generator, the Ghostscript drivers, the Foomatic data generator, and the test pattern generator) are completely independent of one another and most end users (and possibly even packagers) will only be interested in one. The downside to this is that it would make building and installation more of a hassle (not really more difficult), since it would require downloading at least two packages. I'm not convinced that we really want to own escputil and lexmarkutil at all. It may well make more sense for, say, Jean-Jacques Sarton to package them up with his mtink utility (which is a graphical utility to manage Epson printers). The Gimp plugin is a hard case. It's just not clear to me at all where it really belongs and what it should be. Some of its functionality (such as the preview, and the color control sliders) would be hard to reproduce if it were just a PPD-based printing client, but except for the preview window that's more a limitation of how at least the CUPS PPD files work than anything else. The preview functionality probably deserves to be a full-fledged widget in its own right, and a lot of other applications could benefit from it. So what do people think? Should we split Gimp-print (4.3 and beyond) up into a collection of smaller packages, and what should they be? Should we turn the Gimp plugin over to the Gimp team? Should we spin off escputil? -- Robert Krawitz <rlk@xxxxxxxxxxxx> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/ Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf@xxxxxxxxxxxx Project lead for Gimp Print/stp -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton