tonight i decided to try the cvs gimp-1.3. i found it very difficult to convince the cvs server that i wanted the new gimp now, having followed bex's how to for the stable gimp. eventually i renamed the gimp directory and was able to successfully check it out, it seems like there should be a more elegant method to do this. i also noticed that when i "cvs checkout gimp" i only got the unstable branch .... thanks carol