they are starting to whisper about gimpcon2 on GIMPNet lately. since I won't be chatting there as often, i would like to move it to this list. they have mentioned asking gug to host it. also, there is a nice little lug in norway that has some experience with sending packets via pidgeons that might be able to adequately meet the gimp developer needs. i thought that a nice approach with this lug is just to drop them a note and tell them when we are coming. of course, there is a natural gathering at the gnome thing this april. i don't know though, not all of the gnome ops on #gimp really get it, imo. i would like to have it here, personally: http://www.bbwellington.com/ except that they have only non-smoking rooms and don't mention having an internet connect, and i don't know about that european plug problem here either. other than that, i think it would be perfect. any other thoughts out there? carol