Hi folks. Let me start with a joke. How do you recognize a Canadian in a crowd? You step on his foot and he says "Oh, I'm sorry..." We're not all _that_ conciliatory, but there is something to the stereotype. There has been a _lot_ of talk about doing a new website at www.gimp.org recently. A lot of opinions have been put forth. Many fragments of proposals have been made. I have a sense that there is consensus on many high-level issues. Everyone seems to agree that: - Something should be done. - It's important to plan things out in advance. - We need to decide the _goals_ of the site. - The HTML on the site should be standards-compliant. - The HTML on the site should work with any somewhat-modern browser. - The code that runs the site should be separate from the content. - Lots of other things :) There's also a pretty good list of things to do at: http://home.bn-paf.de/smokey/gimp_org/ It seems to me - and to many others, I imagine - that we're actually stuck hard on the first unfinished item: "Get together a lot of people" We do have a lot of people who are interested here on the mailing list, but nobody has stepped up to take command of this project. It seems to me that that's what we need to get this show on the road. Once someone is in charge - not a webmaster, a coordinator, just to get the new site together. Someone without any agenda or preferences aside from making the best damn GIMP site. I'm not a big fan of people-hierarchies, but here goes: - Coordinator to coordinate all these folks: - Technical back-end person Code modules may be assigned to others - Content manager/editor Sections of site assigned to others - Design/layout person Icons/etc. could be assigned to others but the final layout would have to go through the main layout person cooperating with the technical back-end person. - System manager We need someone with root on wilber to help set up groups and install packages and all that. i.e. a single point of contact for wilber admin. So far yosh has filled this role for me quite well. Now, I know most of us here are hackers and before you go killfiling and /ignoring me for suggesting that there should be a manager, just think about it for a bit and let me know if there's anyone you know who has time to do any technical/design/content _and_ make sure that nothing is dropped on the floor. I don't know of anyone at the moment. I have an agenda, and I'm not going to hide it. I'm building this template system because I want to. I've been building systems like this for 5 years now and I think this one is the least flawed I've ever constructed. I think it is in line with most of the goals that we all share, so I'm building a GIMP site with it. I'm writing a paper on it and presenting it in Manchester at the end of June. Those are my own personal & immediate goals. They are not necessarily in conflict with getting the GIMP website moving, but they _are_ in conflict with me leading or dealing with content or design. So. Here we go: I'd like to nominate Carol Spears <cspears@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> to the position of coordinator. She seems really determined to help us all sort this out, and she doesn't know enough about anything to have a too-strong opinion. Yes, that's a complement, Carol - we need people like you! Having someone like Carol around - just like these "users" we keep talking about for the GIMP application - will ensure that we can, to some extent, explain/justify our choices and problems to a layperson. That has always helped me to clarify implementation issues. Carol is good at asking questions and making suggestions. I nominate myself to the position of Technical person. I would be glad to coordinate anyone who wants to help out in that regard and of course show the Content and Design folks how easy it is to do their stuff. I also nominate Michael Spunt and the GUG folks to the position of Technical person. I think that once we have a content tree in place we can nominate TigerT and others to come up with an appropriate design. I nominate yosh to the undemanding position of Sysadmin attache. I would now like to open nominations to anyone else. Feel free to nominate yourself or decline your nomination. Once we have a list of, say, at least 3 nominees for each position - and of course we may want to revise the number of people and/or their responsibilities - we can have a vote. Let's say that the voting system is ... you rank all candidates (0 being most preferred, going up by 1) and the candidate with the lowest score for each position wins. Geeky+simple enough? If something doesn't get decided soon, I will take my template system back to theory-land so I can get the stuff _I_ need done on it. That's my 2 U.S. cents - which is worth about $150 Canadian these days. Cheers, Tom -- Tom Rathborne tomr@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.aceldama.com/~tomr/ | I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my | H complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the | A greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission, and I want to help you. | L