Hi, if the gimp developers really have the time to improve the userinterface I would be happy to discuss things with them. I have a few years experience with user interfaces and DIN EN ISO 9241 and perhaps can give some hints (even if I do not do my own projects always with "softwareergonomie" in mind). Unfortunatly I am no gtk developer and my time as motif developer lays a few years back. In germany companies that force their employees to work with sofware with bad user interfaces can be condemned to pay up to 25000$ since 1.1.2000 (theoretically!). I followed the discussion on this list and would like to bring in my opinion on three points: - the style guide from microsoft is a very good book even for non windows programmers, it would be a good idea if microsoft forced their programmers to read it .. - timecop understands some important points in doing good user interface design - timecop seems to not understand at all how free software projects like gimp work Best regards, Carsten PS: for german developers a good start for getting a first impression on this is http://www.sozialnetz-hessen.de/ergo-online/ergo_frame1.htm -- Carsten.Hammer@xxxxxxxxxxx