When I started using the Gimp, I was about as stupid as they come. I even learned linux (what little I know) from the Gimp up. I am not as stupid about the Gimp now, but that is about as far as I will go. I learned the word alpha from that bottom layer being what it is. It has become pesky to me as of late. If the bump map filter would open up on the bottom layer instead of the top, alot of the peskiness would go away. Sometimes I forget that it is special and waste time "erasing things white" until I handle it. After reading the dev mail tonight, I shall no longer duplicate and remove the layer. But I go back and forth on how I handle it and usually I choose according to where the mouse is closer to, the layers dialog (duplicate and delete) or the image (Image>Alpha etc). Doing it the right way has more steps and more searching menus. It takes more human effort. The very best thing for me --the stupid but teachable user-- would to have an option in the preferences to open images in alpha or not. But default with the image opening as is. I am glad that the Gimp came like it did, but now I would like to have the option to turn it off. Thanks for your time and thanks for your very cool program. -- __ _ __ ___ / _| ' \(_-< Why use Windows, since there is a door? \__|_|_|_/__/ -- Andre Fachat