Marc Lehmann said... | |a) what does HCI mean? ;) Human-computer interface |b) I always see programs do it the way gimp does it, so there must be | something about it It gets done both ways - depends on the OS, the window manager, the app, the toolkit... I prefer it all the way to the right, myself. What happens when the window is too narrow is (should be) independent of whether the Help menu button is lft or right justified. -Miles