Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 01:18:54 +0000 From: Nick Lamb <njl98r@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 11:23:48PM +0100, Marc Lehmann wrote: > Just to throw in my opinion: gimp is _NOT part of gnome, other than in a > technical way, and I personally think it is important that it stays so. From the user's perspective The Gimp is part of GNOME. For 1.2 this won't be really true, but only because of lack of development time to handle the changes. Is there serious concern here that user's will NOT want a GNOME-enabled Gimp in 2001 or 2002 when the 1.3 series might reasonably be expected to conclude with a new stable release? Yes. The user may not have the disk space to install GNOME, or may choose to run fvwm or ctwm. Or, for that matter, the user may not want the security holes that may exist in gnome. Take a look at this: $ netstat -a Active Internet connections (servers and established) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp 0 0 ip158.bedford2.ma.:3138 helios.metalab.unc.:ftp ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 ip158.bedford2.m:telnet sun-barr.Sun.COM:48331 ESTABLISHED tcp 57 0 ip158.bedford2.ma.:4920 anonopenbsd.cs.colo:ftp CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 0 *:8888 *:* LISTEN tcp 69 0 ip156.bedford9.ma.:3559 web.tiac.net:ftp CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 0 *:smtp *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *:6001 *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *:2055 *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *:2044 *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *:2043 *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *:2042 *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *:2041 *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *:2040 *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *:2039 *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *:2032 *:* LISTEN $ fuser -n tcp 2039 2039/tcp: 1085 $ fuser -n tcp 2040 2040/tcp: 1087 $ fuser -n tcp 2041 2041/tcp: 1091 $ fuser -n tcp 2042 2042/tcp: 1094 $ fuser -n tcp 2043 2043/tcp: 1097 $ fuser -n tcp 2044 2044/tcp: 1099 $ fuser -n tcp 2055 2055/tcp: 1108 $ ps u1085 USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND rlk 1085 0.0 0.8 7384 2216 1 S Nov 15 0:01 panel $ ps u1087 USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND rlk 1087 0.0 0.0 2568 232 ? S Nov 15 0:00 gnome-name-service $ ps u1091 USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND rlk 1091 0.0 0.4 6124 1104 ? S Nov 15 0:04 clockmail_applet --ac $ ps u1094 USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND rlk 1094 0.0 0.4 6064 1276 ? S Nov 15 0:01 gen_util_applet --act $ ps u1097 USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND rlk 1097 0.0 0.4 6100 1280 ? S Nov 15 0:00 mini_commander_applet $ ps u1099 USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND rlk 1099 1.0 0.4 6140 1132 ? S N Nov 15 1144:16 cpumemusage_applet -- Huh, it looks like I have open TCP ports courtesy of GNOME. That's not very nice, now is it? I suppose we might conclude that vendors will ship only KDE, in which case maybe those wacky Qt people will show up again and threaten to code a replacement Kim*g*sh*p if we won't re-write Gimp in C++ :) GNOME and KDE are not the only possible environments that one may run under. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk@xxxxxxxxxxxx> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/ Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf@xxxxxxxxxxxx Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton
