Hello (again) On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 12:12:28PM +0100, Olof S Kylander wrote: > > > Well see in your own mail below where you say use PS mod keys/short cuts. > > When you move a PS selection you move the selection it self. You aren't > > making it into a floating selection. See more below. I'm just saying use > > "to float" if you want to have a floating selection. > > This has a point. However, you _can_ use "Quickmask" to apply > transformations to selections with the normal tools, just make sure your > background color is set to 'black', since the background color of a mask is > usually black. Well talk about generating "help" mails ;-). > > Well what about how you move a selection is PhotoShop? Gimp uses the total > > opposite of PhotoShop and many other Win/Mac image manipulation programs. [snip] > > > > I say if you want a float use "to float", don't "force" an unaware user > > into floating selections. > > I think this might be good. Though then the user needs to know that he needs > to "float" a selection. If he doesnt know, a danger of 4-letter words is > near also in this case. Maybe but as you also say Cut&Paste is more common in the comp world. Beside that if you really want a float you most of the time don't want to move it, and then you use "to float". > Basically the quickmask mode helps to perform the task without too much > effort, but Olof's idea might make the concept easier to understand. Some > people have problems when they try to use the selection tools to draw > ellipses and rectangles. Maybe this could make it more clear that selections > are selections, you use them to _fill_ them with something. You first create > a selection, manipulate it if you need, and then fill it or something. Or > cut parts of image with them. > > You can always "Cut&Paste" the selection (or Select -> Float) to get > the float, and I think this is pretty intuitive for those who have some > computing background? I also think so so why not change the behavior to not create a float? > This actually works pretty well, but like I said, you need to check your > background color to avoid leaving ugly cut-out areas in the canvas. Well see my above comment about help mail generating ;-). It's not funny to write about work arounds in the Help system. > True. The GUI is as important as the core. Both things affect the user > experience :) I understand Olof is concerned about the GUI because he has > the GUM to write and to keep it up to date. It is much more fun to write > about stuff that is clean and consistent :) Well, actually the help system this time. When I started to convert it to 1.2 it was painfully obvious that we had a inconsistent way of handling mod-keys and selections. My plan is to make the help sys and then GUM since after making the help I got the core text to GUM. And the good part is, he also is > willing to help in the programming. Maybe a little but I'm filled up with Airbrush, Help, GUM 1.0.X and GUM 1.2 and GUT 1.2. Cheers Olof
