> What do you mean "breaks has_trivial_constructor" ? > Do you just mean has_trivial_default_constructor::value is false? yes though I'd expect it to be true. > If you declare the constructor and destructor as defaulted then they will be trivial for placeholder<X> if they are trivial for X: > placeholder() = default; > ~placeholder () = default; Doesn't work: new_placeholder.cpp: In function 'int main()': new_placeholder.cpp:12:27: error: use of deleted function 'placeholder<T>::placeholder() [with T = std::basic_string<char>]' new_placeholder.cpp:7:2: error: 'placeholder<T>::placeholder() [with T = std::basic_string<char>]' is implicitly deleted because the default definition would be ill-formed: new_placeholder.cpp:6:4: error: union member 'placeholder<std::basic_string<char> >::v' with non-trivial 'std::basic_string<_CharT, _Traits, _Alloc>::basic_string() [with _CharT = char, _Traits = std::char_traits<char>, _Alloc = std::allocator<char>]' new_placeholder.cpp:12:27: error: use of deleted function 'placeholder<T>::~placeholder() [with T = std::basic_string<char>]' new_placeholder.cpp:8:2: error: 'placeholder<T>::~placeholder() [with T = std::basic_string<char>]' is implicitly deleted because the default definition would be ill-formed: new_placeholder.cpp:6:4: error: union member 'placeholder<std::basic_string<char> >::v' with non-trivial 'std::basic_string<_CharT, _Traits, _Alloc>::~basic_string() [with _CharT = char, _Traits = std::char_traits<char>, _Alloc = std::allocator<char>]' "g++" -ftemplate-depth-128 -O0 -fno-inline -Wall -g -pthread -m32 -march=core2 -std=c++0x -I"../../src/libs" -c -o "bin/gcc-4.6.0/debug/address-model-32/link-static/threading-multi/new_placeholder.o" "new_placeholder.cpp" Note that I'm using the class to avoid construction/deconstruction of an object: placeholder<std::string> ps; std::string s("hi"); new(&ps.v) std::string(s); Chris