Hi Stuart, > It looks like it optimises the temporary out. That is correct, even in non-optimized code, the compiler can (and should) "optimize the temporary out". > I would have expected to see a constructor followed by a copy constructor, and then 2 destructors. Except for "named return value optimization" (NRVO), which means the compiler can avoiding doing that in several circumstances. You should not rely on side-effects in your copy constructor. > Is there any way to force the copy constructor to be called in the assignment of myfoo to getFoo()? Yes, you can make an explicit method which does copy construction, and call that instead of using the standard copy constructor. > I have a case where it is vital that the copy constructor is run in this instance as the the temporary (f) references data which goes out of scope in getFoo() and so myfoo has references to already released memory - the copy constructor deals with this elegantly. In that case, you may want to make sure that you use std::swap semantics to change ownership, or use an explicit method rather than the copy-constructor to handle this situation. I recommend Herb Sutter's books Exceptional C++, More Exceptional C++, C++ Coding Style, and Exceptional C++ Style. (Hmmm, I guess I'm just a Herb Sutter fanboy.) Sincerely, --Eljay