Hi Danqing, Many thanks for replying this mail. On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 16:59 +0800, Danqing Li wrote: > Hi ,thank you very much for this great feature requirement list. > > On Mar 10, 2011, at 6:01 PM, He Rui wrote: > > > On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 14:43 -0500, James Laska wrote: > > > On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 18:06 +0800, He Rui wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > Now let's continue the discussion[1] about TCMS management. > > > > After the > > > > feature comparison between wiki and nitrate, the features which > > > > are > > > > supported in current wiki, but not in nitrate have been > > > > identified[2]. > > > > Among these, I priorized some of them as Must-have features, > > > > which were > > > > summarized as below[3]: > > > > > > > > 1. History rollback - > > > > User can view history versions and undo changes. > > > > > > Good, I do use this more often than I realize. > > > > > > > 2. History comparison - > > > > Different versions can compare with each other. > > > Yes , after talk with Hurry I understand this is very important > for community cooperation testing. But the implementation of roll > back of test case is really not easy . > > > In development of 3.4 and 3.5 we plan to improve history function of > test plan/case/run, show the edit history of every field. And in fact > there has change log for test case. > I see, if this is a difficult task, IMO we can achieve this step by step. > > > > > > > > > 3. Description part in test case - > > > > Currently there's no 'Description' part for test case format on > > > > Nitrate, > > > > should we add this part or use 'Setup' part instead? > > > > > > No, I don't think 'setup' is the right place since we also use > > > 'setup' > > > in our wiki test template. Does nitrate support a summary or any > > > other > > > field to describe the intent of the test in human readable terms? > > > > Oh, it has "Notes" area, maybe we can use that. > > > > > Ok , let me know if you have other requirement about this 'Notes' > field. Thanks for supporting, at a first thought, we may want the tinyMCE syntax for it. > > > > > > > > > 4. Grouping cases (by media) - > > > > Need a way to separate the cases to different groups in one test > > > > run. > > > > How can we achieve this in Nitrate? > > > > > > Probably different test runs of the same plan. One run would be > > > for the > > > DVD ISO, one for the netinst.iso etc... Perhaps this will need > > > further > > > exploration. > > > > Yeah, use different test runs or sorting the cases by order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Documents in test result page(Run) - > > > > There's only a little space called 'Note' for documentation on > > > > Nitrate > > > > and it doesn't support syntax. should we ask for more spaces > > > > with syntax > > > > supported for test runs like test days? > > > > > > Can you explain in more detail? Are you proposing we move the > > > test day > > > wiki content into nitrate, so it's a one-stop-shop for test > > > information > > > for that event? > > > > I meant in nitrate, there's only a 'Notes' field to support a simple > > summary of each test run. For a test day which has many contents[1] > > such > > as "What to test", "Prerequisite for Test Day", "How to test" etc, > > it is > > hard to put all of these into the 'Notes' field. This field doesn't > > support TinyMCE or any other syntax editing. > > > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Template > > > > > I see that Test Day is a very good cooperation testing activity. I > think you can use Test Plan to describe the Test Day Document instead > of Test Run. > > > The organizer write all information above in Test Plan document. And > put test cases into this plan. > On that day ,every tester could make a new run for himself/ herself . > > > I user Nitrate made a test plan to simulate fedora test day on Feb25, > please see the attached screenshot. In this way , information could be > stored in plan documents, and test result in every test runs. Wow, good idea. Make a plan for each test day first, then include test cases to the plan and create a run. I will try this when setting up a test instance later.:) > > But now Nitrate can't supply the matrix test result show all user's > result like the wikipage[1]. > > We need talk about the test result report feature in future > development. > > > > 6. Moving test results - > > > > Moving previous results from a test run to another. AFAIK, > > > > there's no > > > > way to copy some of one test run results to another. > > > > > > Good catch. I think with nitrate, you can selectively include > > > test > > > cases when creating a new test run, right? Meaning, we wouldn't > > > need to > > > include *all* tests in the plan when creating a new test run? > > > > Yeah. but then we need to make very sure that certain cases results > > won't be changed in new run. The summary of the new run results is > > also > > not intact. Anyway, this is a workaround. > > > > > This brings up another question ... permissions. With the wiki, > > > anyone > > > has permission to add or remove tests from a test run. How will > > > that be > > > handled in nitrate? > > > > Since it's internally use only, the permissions only have three: 1. > > anonymous - read. 2. tester - read and write any case/run/plan. 3. > > Admin > > - manage the tcms system. > > > > > Sorry ,I am not clear about the necessity of import result form > another test run,is it mean those test run very similar, so why make a > new run?Do you explain some more detail about this feature's > scenario ? > Okay, take F15 Alpha candidate for example. When RC1 is available, its test run is created for testing, if it has some blocker bugs which don't meet release criteria, RC2 with the fixes would be posted for testing. A new test run would be created and the test cases are the same as RC1 run. But for some cases that we assume the fixes won't affect, on wiki, we moved their RC1 results which are supposed to be unchanged directly to the RC2 run, see the example pages[!]. This way, for RC2 run, we have both new tested and moved results, and the cases are intact for each run. [!] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_15_Alpha_RC1_Install https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_15_Alpha_RC2_Install > > > > > > > > 7. Result type - > > > > Nitrate doesn't have 'warn' but has 'error' result status. > > > > Modify it to > > > > 'warn'? > > > > > > What is the significance of 'error' in nitrate? Does that mean > > > there > > > was a test case error, not necessarily a software error? > > > > It presents an environment error, the user guide suggesting the use > > of > > result status is: > > > > Idle - Default value. The Test Case has not been examined. > > Passed - Test Case met all the expected results. > > Failed - Test Case did not meet all the expected results, or > > produced an > > unhandled exception. > > Running - Test Case is in progress. > > Paused - This status is used to denote a problem with the test case > > itself that prevents the test from being completed. > > Blocked - Test Case has a dependency that has failed. > > Error - Test environment has problems that prevent Test Case > > execution. > > > > But I guess such 'error' status will be seldom used. > > > > > So what mean do you think 'warn' with test case result ? As James noted, warn means the test passed, but bugs were discovered during execution of the test, but did not impact the outcome of the test. > > > > > > > 8. Multiple contributions for each case - > > > > Support multiple test results for one case run. > > > > > > Agreed and good catch! I think it's very important to allow > > > multiple > > > testers to provide feedback on a single test given that the > > > environment > > > under test (hardware) can vary for tests. > > > > Yeah, so far, nitrate supports the view of editing logs but only > > display > > the result changed at last time. > > > > > > > Similar with feature 5. > I suggest every contributor use different test run . So Nitrate could > save all results. > What we need to do is show all result at a glance. Sorry, what do you mean by using different test run? Do we need to create more? For each run with some cases, we prefer each case run can support multiple contributed results. > > > > > > 9. Authorities for pages - > > > > Pages on wiki with different namespaces can have different > > > > permissions, > > > > so hopefully pages on Nitrate can also have diff permissions. > > > > > > I was confused by this a little earlier as well. I don't > > > understand the > > > concept of pages within nitrate. Is this to replace the use of > > > our wiki > > > test plan document and validation pages (e.g. > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Installation_validation_testing)? > > > > I meant for example if use certain namespace like 'Test_Results:' or > > 'Test_Day:', these test runs allow anonymous editing, while test > > runs > > without such names don't. So nitrate should also provide a way to > > give > > different permissions for test runs. > > > > > First , wiki use 'Page' to store and display it's content , and these > pages are all same type, so it use namespace to control permission. > Nitrate is more professional for test case management, use > 'plan','case','run' to manage whole testing process. these could been > seen as three types. > Now Nitrate can control permission of create/ edit/ delete of these > three type of contents. But can't set permission for specific one > run / case. > And now every editing action need account authentication, anonymous > only can browse and view. > We need some time to discuss about permission control I think. > Yeah, this can be discussed with FAS integration together. By controlling the permissions for different user groups, the test runs/plans/cases/ can be managed separately by different group admins, this requirement can be achieved then IMO. > <skip> > > Thanks again and very appreciate for your creative idea about > improvement this system. Please go on feel free to talk about it. I will.:) > > Best Regards. > > > Danqing Li > > Tel: +86 10 62608198 > IRC : dli (#tcms, #eng-china) > Red Hat Software (Beijing) Co., Ltd > Room 907, Tower North, Raycom InfoTech Park, > No. 2 Kexueyuan South Road,100080, Beijing > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nitrate-devel mailing list > nitrate-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/nitrate-devel Thanks, Hurry -- Contacts Hurry FAS Name: Rhe Timezone: UTC+8 TEL: 86-010-62608141 IRC nick: rhe #fedora-qa #fedora-zh -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
