On 02/16/2011 02:45 AM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: >>> option in Gnome menu. >> > >> > That is a, ahem, policy decision. > Hi, Adam, > > Could you say some more about the policy decision or point to a msg or > whatever. Need to understand what is going on. Bring up this questionable UI Design up on the desktop list. It beginning to become more and more apparent that the Gnome developers forgot to sprinkle some experience wisdom and common sense into the Gnome UI Designers when they went off the charts as they have done with this decisions. I think one triple U distribution that exist out there more or less succession is based on fixing those UI Design Bugs that upstream Gnome UI Designers get wrong which seems to be Gnomes upstream Achilles' heel they get soo many things right but then screw it over minor nuances that irritates the end user so much he stops using it and or chooses a distribution that ships workaround hacks for those nuances.. If the Gnome Desktop was not the distributions "Default" and the Gnome Desktop Team was treated and acted equally to any other SIG I would point you to their relevant meeting or discussion on the mailing list but since that does not exist I cant. One of the pitfalls of having a "Default" is that community surrounding the "Default" has something to say in what's being shipped and in this case it just so happens to be majority of our existing user base and unfortunately the Gnome Desktop Team has had a bit history ignoring existing user base and jump to the other side where the grass is greener chasing girl scouts and the end of the rainbow unfortunately it looks like the board has taken that attitude as well. We could I suppose setup a wiki page that gathers all those questionable UI design decisions along with patches for those designers bugs and start patching it here downstream with or without the Gnome Desktop Team consent ( which most likely they would object since they are more or less upstream ) however that would go against our whole upstream mantra and ofcourse is not the smartest thing to do but might be necessary to keep our users happy. But before taking any workaround steps talk to the maintainers on the desktop list they are present and responsive and with luck they can *convince* the UI designers that perhaps it's better to keep something still around like for example the ability to reboot as people have been doing since the dawn of personal computer. Note I dont think any upstream UI designers are present/subscribed on that list.. I'm expecting FESCO to hold the same standards as they set and did with systemd since this affects majority of Fedora userbase and is the "Default" thus affects majority of our users and significantly proportion of the reputation of the project and if Gnome3 does not satisfy that standard they deem it not ready and postpone it to F16 and we ship Gnome2 with F15. The work around is obvious open up a terminal and reboot as is the other one for many of those design bug open up terminal and run gconf/dconf editor.. The ability to reboot is still present in GDM for now at least. JBG -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
