2010-03-01 @ 16:00 UTC (11am EST) - Fedora QA Meeting Recap

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As always, IRC transcript and minutes available at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20100301

== Attendees ==
People present (lines said)

      * jlaska (184)
      * kparal (45)
      * wwoods (42)
      * maxamillion (31)
      * Viking-Ice (19)
      * jskladan (18)
      * tk009 (17)
      * zodbot (13)
      * skvidal (7)
      * jsmith (1)

Regrets:

      * User:Adamwill
      * User:liam
      * User:rhe
== Agenda ==
      * Proposed meeting agenda -
        http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/088873.html
      * meetbot summary -
        http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-03-01/fedora-qa.2010-03-01-16.00.html

== Previous meeting follow-up ==
     1. maxamillion to draft up some proposed policy docs for qa FAS
        group membership 
              * Initiated discussion on the mailing list (see
                http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-February/088824.html)
              * Draft page available on the wiki (see
                QA/JoinCriticalPathWranglers:Draft)
              * Please continue sending feedback to the mailing list
     2. jlaska / maxamillion to co-ordinate with sectool test day hosts
        tmraz, mbarabas and pvrabec who may be able to contribute 
              * No traction this past week. Jlaska will reach out
                post-meeting to sectool test day 

== Fedora 13 Alpha test status ==
      * Alpha RC#4 is available for testing. Instructions for
        downloading and providing feedback available at:
              * Test_Results:Fedora_13_Alpha_RC4_Install
              * Test_Results:Fedora_13_Alpha_RC4_Desktop

      * Current list of unresolved bugs blocking the
        Fedora_13_Alpha_Release_Criteria ...
              * RHBZ #567346 - MODIFIED - gpk-update-viewer does not
                display changelogs nor updates packages
              * RHBZ #569377 - NEW - CDROM install unable to eject disc
                - storage: error ejecting cdrom sr0: (5, 'Input/output
                error') 

      * kparal asked to review new bugs for Alpha criteria:
              * RHBZ #569352 - Broken dependencies for
                1:openoffice.org-langpack-en-3.2.0-12.7.fc13.x86_64 
                      * Reassigned to
                        image:Echo-package-16px.pngyum-langpack and
                        requesting feedback from Jens Petersen
              * RHBZ #569355 - Broken dependencies for
                2:gimp-2.6.8-4.fc13.x86_64 
                      * Appears to be resolved CLOSED NEXTRELEASE

== development/13 bug procedures ==
      * Discussed at the BugZappers meeting last week. Just want to
        remind folks about the process here. When closing Fedora 13
        bugs, use resolution: CLOSED, status: ERRATA.
      * tk009 reminded the group that additional action items were
        needed. Join #fedora-meeting for the next BugZapper meeting to
        discuss further.


== AutoQA Updates ==
      * wwoods - development/patch policy proposal -
        https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-February/000224.html

=== Depcheck ===
      * wwoods informed the group that there is a working yum-based
        depcheck script available in git (see
        http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=blob;f=tests/depcheck/depcheck). 
      * wwoods was working towards adding built-in tests for the script,
        but realizes that the same built-in tests used to validate yum
        behavior apply to depcheck, so there isn't need to re-invent the
        wheel.
      * Next steps involve thinking about how the updates test process
        workflow will look. Packages will need to land in some staging
        tag for depcheck to work it's magic, then tag the packages for
        the desired repo (updates or updates-testing).

      * Maxamillion asked whether there could there be something like
        "chain-test" that is similar to "chain-build" in koji?


=== Resultsdb ===
      * kparal informed the group that another design discussion was
        held last week (see recap). 
      * Kparal has begun working on use cases for resultsdb (see
        AutoQA_resultsdb_use_cases), and is discovering that the use
        cases are often about autoqa itself, not resultsdb. 
      * jskladan also started drafting a db scheme (png or dia file).

=== Beakerlib ===
      * jskladan finished the initscript checking test last week. No new
        updates to share
      * Had a discussion with benl who pointed out potential licensing
        issues with re-using tests. Might have to rework the licensing
        of the tests.

=== Install Automation ===
      * lili - Updated dvd automated install tests available (uses
        dogtail). Feedback welcome, see
        https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/107
      * Updates include:
             1. support DVD boot, with virt-install --cdrom to create VM
             2. support local kickstart and remote kickstart
                file(http,ftp,etc...)
             3. user environment checking to run this script
             4. some requisite software package check before running
             5. use dogtail to pass args to kernel
             6. create an additional hard disk to upload and store
                kickstart file

=== Packaging ===
      * jlaska - No updates to packaging. Investigating hosting a FAD to
        help focus packaging efforts without distraction.
== Open discussion - <Your topic here> ==

=== https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569352 ===
      * Kparal provided updated test results on RHBZ #569352 and noted
        it is specific to image:Echo-package-16px.pngyum-langpack.
      * Kparal and Jlaska discussed whether this was an Alpha blocker
        and decided to note it in CommonBugs and wait for Jens feedback
        to better assess the impact to Alpha testers.
== Upcoming QA events ==
      * 2010-01-21 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1
      * 2010-01-28 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
      * 2010-02-04 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3
      * 2010-02-04 - NFSv4 Test Day
      * 2010-02-05 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #1 (recap)
      * 2010-02-11 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose' (boot media testing)
      * 2010-02-12 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #2 (recap)
      * 2010-02-12 - Alpha Test Candidate verification (announcement)
      * 2010-02-18 - Alpha Release Candidate verification
      * 2010-02-18 - Color Management test day
      * 2010-02-19 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #3 (recap)
      * 2010-02-24 - Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting (20:00 EST)
      * 2010-02-25 - Yum Langpack plugin test day
      * WE ARE HERE 
      * 2010-03-10 - Pre-Beta Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan
      * 2010-03-12 - Beta Blocker Meeting (F13Beta) #1
      * 2010-03-18 - Test Beta 'Test Compose'
      * 2010-03-19 - Beta Blocker Meeting (F13Beta) #2
== Action items ==
     1. maxamillion seeking input from the
        http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mentors group for guidance on
        mentor responsibilities
     2. continued testing of bug#567346 to further isolate the failure
        conditions
     3. jlaska - update AutoQA_PatchProcess to include fedorapeople.org
        git repo

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