As always, minutes and IRC transcript available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20100201. = Attendees = People present (lines said) * jlaska (163) * kparal (48) * adamw (45) * wwoods (31) * Oxf13 (23) * maxamillion (7) * nirik (4) * zodbot (3) * skvidal (2) * poelcat (1) Regrets: * [[User:liam]] * [[User:rhe]] = Agenda = * [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-February/088258.html Proposed meeting agenda] * [http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-02-01/qa.2010-02-01-16.01.html meetbot summary] == Previous meeting follow-up == # jlaska to add bugzilla shared query links to Common_Bugs wiki page #* beland added links to [[Common_F13_bugs]] page # wwoods and kparal to talk about design ideas #* No discussion took place yet, but kparal noted he'd like to have a small group meet and discuss requirements. Wwoods agreed and suggested outlining some requirements and goals before we start looking at tools/implementations # adamw update on security policy #* Sent to devel@xxxxxxxx list for review from a wider audience (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-January/129978.html) #* Will continue to monitor feedback and adjust drafts as needed == Release validation wiki updates == [[User:rhe|rhe]] and [[User:adamwill|awilliam]] coordinated to improve the wiki presence of several release validation efforts, including installation test and desktop sanity test. Adamw gave a quick update noting that so far we've added the installation validation testing wiki page ([[QA:Installation_validation_testing]]), a a desktop validation testing wiki page, which is still full of duct tape ([[QA:Desktop_validation_testing]]), and modified the QA/Join page to mention this testing ([[QA/Join#Release_validation]]). Jlaska asked if we should change the install-specific nature of the QA schedule to reference the more all-encompassing ''release validation'' efforts. Adam agreed. Adam concluded noting there will be other types of validation we could do in future; there's already a couple of criteria we can test that don't really come under installation or desktop groups. == Rawhide Acceptance Testing == Last week, 2010-01-28 was the second pre-Alpha rawhide acceptance test milestone. Jkeating and dlehman coordinated to do a second compose (see [https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3292 rel-eng ticket#3292]). Install images were built and posted on alt.fedoraproject.org. Since AutoQA doesn't yet monitor this location for new install images, tests were initiated manually. Test Summary: * Automated ''rats_install'' PASS (note bug#559597 prevents initramfs creation) * AutoQA updates supports split URL compose now (using stage2= and repo=) * Results available at [[Test_Results:Fedora_13_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_2]]. Next Steps: * Fix AutoQA post-tree-compose hook to monitor for RAT droppings (see [https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/115 ticket#115]) * 2010-02-04 test run Questions/Concerns: * Jkeating asked what does 'last known good' (LKG) mean? - Does it mean that the install images '''and''' package source are good? Jlaska felt that for QA, it means here's we tested a particular install image and package set, and it was good. Adamw offered to help document this on the wiki, but asked for clarification/guidance once the mechanics have settled down. * Jlaska asked how do we know we're done with the 'last known good' (LKG) project?, Jkeating offered ... <Oxf13> in my head there is a simple webpage that is maintained by QA <Oxf13> this webpage describes Last Known Good and the fact that rawhide no longer has images of it's own <Oxf13> onthis page would be links to the install image files, and to the tree of packages it was found to be good with <Oxf13> with instructions on how to combine the two into an install <Oxf13> and finally notes that without picking a specific repo of packages, the images will attempt to install the latest repo of packages on the mirror system <Oxf13> which has not been validated, and may not work == AutoQA project update == === Deps/conflicts prevention === * Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/autoqa% 20depcheck * Owner - [[User:wwoods]] ''Last week'' * wwoods working with skvidal and other rpm hackers to try and solve the depcheck problem * wwoods looking for help in doing the post-bodhi-update hook * kparal has code for generating fake RPMs for testing in git as rpmguard_test.py * Friday afternoon I got a working yum-based prototype of the depcheck code (see http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=blob;f=tests/depcheck/depcheck) ''This week'' * Build a testsuite to validate depchecks functionality (possibly using rpmfluff) === rpmguard and autoqa results collection === * Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Package%20update %20tests * Owner - [[User:kparal]] ''Last week'' * Address [https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/113 ticket#113] - skip checks against same package NVR * Address [https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/114 ticket#114] - locate latest previous package from stable and updates repos. Makes it easier to run the test manually at some future date. ''This week'' * Initial brainstorming on results db ideas === install automation === * Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Automate% 20installation%20test%20plan * Owner - [[User:lili]], [[User:rhe]] ''Last week'' * Liam announced a DVD install test case to autoqa-devel list (see https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-January/000178.html)! ''This week'' * Continue discussion around dvd-install test case and identify how to proceed === packaging/deployment === * Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Packaging%20and% 20Review * Owner - [[User:jlaska]] ''Last week'' * Process akurtakov's feedback and remove all ''uncertain'' JAR files from the list (see [[User:Jlaska/gwt#Status_uncertain]]). ''This week'' * Seek guidance from upstream GWT for ... *# Cases where multiple versions of a JAR are bundled *# Need for remaining bundled JARs? (see [[User:Jlaska/gwt#Status_uncertain]]) *# Begin packaging JPackage JAR files for Fedora == Open discussion - <Your topic here> == = Upcoming QA events = * 2010-01-21 - [[Test_Results:Fedora_13_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_1| Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1]] * 2010-01-28 - [[Test_Results:Fedora_13_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_2| Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2]] * 2010-02-04 - [[Test_Results:Fedora_13_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_3| Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3]] * 2010-02-04 - [[Test_Day:2010-02-04_NFS|NFSv4 Test Day]] * 2010-02-05 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #1 * 2010-02-11 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose' (boot media testing) * 2010-02-12 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #2 = Action items = # request zodbot tracking for updated F-13 QA RSS feeds (blocker bugs, common_bugs? etc... # jlaska to organize a gobby meeting with wwoods+kparal to begin requirements/goal definition for a results db # jlaska to discuss updating QA schedule with poelstra to reflect new 'release validation' focus # jlaska and adamw to work on drafting a 'last known good' wiki page
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