Following up to myself, because I re-read my responses... I'm sorry to come off as "Mr. Negative" about this; that's not my intent. The more people testing, the better the end result will be. I just think that right now, the best way for end users to test is to rsync rawhide and either do network installs (if you have more than one computer this is very easy to set up) or build images yourself. I haven't built install ISOs myself in a while, so I don't know how hard that is, but building Live images (once you have a tree) is almost trivial (edit one line in one file to point to your local repo and run one command). During the time leading up to a release, rawhide has little churn, so rsyncing it does not use much bandwidth. The biggest problem with rsyncing rawhide is that it is the equivalent of the "Everything" directory in a release, not just the "Fedora" bits that land on a DVD, so you have a big hit the first time downloading a bunch of stuff that wasn't on a DVD. Jesse (if you are still reading): what would it take to have "Everything" and "Fedora" directories in rawhide? Would it make sense to do that to make it easier for the "casual rsyncer" that would start with a DVD ISO (e.g. 11-Preview) to build a tree for testing? -- Chris Adams <cmadams@xxxxxxxxxx> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list