As requested, I did a full install of F11 32 bit on my spare desktop computer and never had problem. I did do my first update at root. I find that once you get the foundation establish the rest goes up easy. I recently install F11 64bit on my main Desktop and have had no problems execpt the mouse choices and the already mention vmware shutdown and sound. Hopefully the sound problem has been solved. Two to go. But overall I personally think F11 is fast not only on the start and end, but as you use it. My hat is off to you and your hard work to keep Fedora at the top. -- Lawrence E. Graves <lgraves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list