On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 16:21 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote: > I agree. While I applaud the concept behind NM, its execution is very, > very flawed. It can't be used on systems that use network-based > authentication because of the chicken-and-egg problem it causes (you > need a desktop for it to start and you can't log in to get a desktop > because the network is down due to NM not running). Blatantly wrong. NetworkManager service starts well before the desktop login, and will bring up any "system" configured connections. > > Other drawbacks: the utter and complete lack of documentation; $ rpm -qd NetworkManager /usr/share/doc/NetworkManager-0.7.0/AUTHORS /usr/share/doc/NetworkManager-0.7.0/CONTRIBUTING /usr/share/doc/NetworkManager-0.7.0/COPYING /usr/share/doc/NetworkManager-0.7.0/ChangeLog /usr/share/doc/NetworkManager-0.7.0/NEWS /usr/share/doc/NetworkManager-0.7.0/README /usr/share/doc/NetworkManager-0.7.0/TODO /usr/share/man/man1/nm-tool.1.gz /usr/share/man/man8/NetworkManager.8.gz > the > inability to (consistently) control its behavior via config files > (including its ignoring of existing directives in files it claims to > read); Do you have specific bugs filed for specific cases where it's ignoring things it's supposed to be reading? > its apparent random selection of nearby wireless access points; Again, bugs? AFAIKT it doesn't pick any until /you/ pick one to join, and then it'll re-join that one if it notices it's available and you're not connected to anything else at the time. > occasional ignoring of existing keyring entries; Bugs filed? > its inability to be > started prior to a user logging in--and then only if the system is > in GUI mode; the list goes on. Again, very very wrong. > > I like the idea. It's just nowhere ready for prime time in anything > but the absolute simplest of network environments with GUI-based > systems. I realize that Fedora is where things like this get the bugs > shaken out, but NM has been a problem child for quite a while (F8, F9 > and now F10). Anaconda should at least ask you if you want NM as the > default network environment when upgrading or installing (it certainly > shouldn't run roughshod over an existing network environment). On top > of that and given its, uhm, "maturity", you'd think there'd at least be > a bloody man page for it! See the rpm output from above. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating
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