Arne Chr. Jorgensen wrote:
Hi,
Well, I know I must look like a complete idiot, if you happen to read my
last
messages.
I know you are all well meaning and so on. But I guess you can understand my
frustration, as at this very moment I have something that looks as a
working maschine.
Some issues was resolved just a couple of days ago. I have never used
IRC before, and
hoped and tried to get it working in time for the meeting. As now I have
sound and
a desktop, etc. I still have not come around to set up an email reader,
- so ?
Really, rawhide isn't for beginners. If you want something that will
(probably) just work, the Fedora 8 is about the best choice for now.
Unless there's something weird and/or unusual about your hardware, a
desktop with Gnome or KDE should just happen, and then there are several
GUI-based email clients you can use including
1. Evolution. Not my choice, but Red Hat thinks it's good for you
2. Thunderbird
3. Seamonkey Mail
4. Kmail, part of KDE
For browsing the wibbly web there are
1. Firefox
2. Thunderbird
3. Konqueror
I don't do IRC, but I think there at least three clients there too.
Getting source at the commandline is as simple as
yumdownloader --source kernel
If you want a character-based email client and don't like mutt, then
this will get you the one I prefer
yum install alpine
If you insist on running Rawhide (or Suse's cooker), expect to get
flayed (or cooked). They're bleeding edge and prone to sudden breakage
without your doing anything except (maybe but I won't guarantee it's
necessary) installing some updates.
For more then 1 year, I have not been able to download email. Imagine
having to
browse the wikipages with lynx, or a desktop in which most buttons fall
outside the
screen. Imagine installing fedora under such circumstances.
Imagine trying to get your hands on the source code, while what you are
looking for
isn't supplied. You cannot recreate, compile anything. I did manage to
get something
The source code _is_ supplied to everything in Fedora (and should you
want it, Red Hat Enterprise Linux). One thing Red Hat is good at is
releasing source code.
from rawhide with only "half" answers as what to do, an attempt to
recreate the missing parts.
When I ask about such things like, could someone please give me an
example of
the command line for the python.bugzilla I did install, as all I get is:
xmlrpclib.ProtocolError: <ProtocolError for
bugzilla.redhat.com/xmlrpc.cgi: 500 Internal Server Error>
When I ask, what is it suppose to output - the answer is that use a
script, while
they are not willing to share or tell you what it is.
I for one had never heard of python.Bugzilla. I'm not at all surprised
responses were scarce.
>>
>> I am happy to just be a "guest" - don't need any write access or
much of anything.
>>
> You shouldn't need a fedora account then, you can leave this for later.
>
Well, when I said "guest" - it was because earlier answers did somehow
indicate unwillingness or doubts regarding account.
>>
>> But earlier - when you supplied me with how to get PGP key and such,
>> things broke, and resorted to other ways of getting stuff.
>
> Ways of getting what?
>
For instance - they way first instructed as to download or get some
code, and
such.
>
> If you don't need to edit the wiki or provide other
> contributions (like packages, documentation) you don't need to do
anything with
> gpg at all. To test and post to the list you don't need to bother
with that.
>
Right, but some of the info and suggestion we have discussed here, would
have
to be written one day, or all my questions and your answers has all been
for nothing.
But, okay..I may spend some more time, attempting to get my own server
up and running,
write what ever I like - some could then check it out and see if anyone
would view
it as valuable for sharing or not.
From my point of view, to find out how that key-stuff works, would be
interesting,
as it could be valuable for use on my own server.
You don't need keys to set up your own server. You don't need keys until
security matters, and until you're ready to go public then you might as
well just create your own. Probably google, properly instructed, will
tell you how. Try this, including quotes:
"how to" install and configure a secure web server on linux
>
> To test and post to the list you don't need to bother with that.
>
Okay, fine.. I understand what you say - but ..well, to test what ?
What do you want to test? Whatever it is, install it and learn to set it
up and use it. When it breaks, ask google first and then (maybe) the
list. If it's broken (and almost everything in Rawhide is until proven
otherwise) report it. If you can propose a fix, do that too.
I am not happy to "test" anything in which I don't receive some insight
and understanding. When I explained that I only received server errors
in my attempt
to resolve that PGP Key, I consider that as part of testing:
a) the user enter something wrong
b) there is a 'bug' or something that cause the error.
Bugzilla Bug 243172: APIC-Error "timer not connected to IO-APIC - well,
what
is it ? Is a 8254 timer there ? ( I designed I/0 controller cards, made
them, programmed them for more then 20 years ago. Do they really use
that old chip ? )
1. Software is harder than hardware.
2. Probably something software-compatible with it. Some of the Z8000
stuff's around, Sun uses the SCC (or did recently)
And I have the APIC documents, and of course I like to know what this is
all about.
I have also pointed out what seems to be the error - so ? we should have the
kernel source code ? )
To test and file bugs, well..I have tried to help a bit, see
Bugzilla Bug 436644: Tgif does not work - I redesinged Tgif 18 years
ago, made
a new application.
I am not that interested in filing bugs, but I do need to know all about
how
the system works in order to test out some new ideas about how the whole
process
could be done.
People have called, and shipped me half across the globe, in order to
solve computer
problems where OEM and other "experts" failed. But that is years ago,
and hardware
and programs are much more difficult today. So much that none have
solved some of
the issues with my hardware. And it is pretty hopeless when you cannot even
get your email. To not be able to do anything for a whole year, because
nothing
will drive or boot your hardware. And Vista has been a lot of trouble
too, besides
it doesn't run anything I am interested in.
>
> To test and post to the list you don't need to bother with that.
>
Well, most can do that, so why the heck should I struggle with it in
textmode,
with no mailreader, without some decent computers running ?
When things crashed, I got a temporary solution in receiving your
emails, but
without access to download it. I asked if you had archeives, if there
was a treaded
list, - but no, answer I got was "don't think so, and besides the things
change
so fast, why bother ?"
Here I have struggled to collect answers, understand stuff, but without
being able
to participate - for a damn year. And 2 days ago, I learn that you do
have an archeive, and it is even threaded !!!!
If you'd done your research, google would have found it for you. In the
sig to some of my emails, depending on which computer I'm on at the
time, there are some links. I think you need to read the documents they
point to.
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