shrek-m@xxxxxx wrote:
John Summerfield schrieb:
shrek-m@xxxxxx wrote:
Fedora is ok for day_to_day_work.
Just have a look at the fedora-list archive, how many problems there
are that fall in the general categories:
[.......] These are taken from subject lines, and suggest to me that
the problem is more likely to be software-related than user error, and
that are likely ro require local action (ie physical presence) and
substantially prevent the system's use.
you count the fedora-list subjects line, i count fedora-bugs,
we both should contact our doctor ;)
Count them anyway you like; there are too many critical problems that
are not caused by users' stupidity for sensible reliance on Fedora for
daily use for important work.
likely I'm wrong about some (both inclusions and exclusions), but then
I've had some personally that are unreported.
For example, the fine new (to pe) graphical update too crashed
(segfault), so I just use commandline yum.
let us talk about rawhide: and without yum?
rpm
if you need more luxuriance for downloading packages you can use lynx,
elinks, *ftp, wget, curl, ...
Why? How is that relevant? I'm arguing against uninformed reliance on
Fedora. Relying on rawhide is insanity.
For example, I've seen loadaverage 45+ and climbing. No idea what it
was doing, I couldn't do anything to find out. It cleared itself by
next day.
procps, sysstat
At loadaverage 45+ as I said, it's basically not listening. The simplest
command takes minutes to run, logging in is impossible (exceeds the one
minute timeout).
It's dual core, 2 Gbytes RAM.
For example, on FC3 the kernel panicked initialising USB on many
systems, including my laptop.
For example, the current xenified F8 kernel doesn't boot without
special (unusual) options on my system. Reportedly it happened on F7
and was fixed, then recurred in the F8 test cycle, is fixed in the
later standard kernels but not in the -xen kernel.
only one seriously bug for me in fc5 (boot from raid1|5)
two little update-bugs in f7
not fedora faults:
nv-bugs (nvidia)
one (ibm)harddisk-crash (no raid - 2004) - only a few lost files, not
really dramatically
one accidently `rm -rf /path/to/data/` - ok, 2 backups per year is not
really often
one accidently fc6-i386 update over fc5-x86_64 - oops, nice result :)
Unfortunately, if I manage to drive down the wrong side of a street at
140km/hour on the wrong side without having an accident, that doesn't go
far to say it's safe to do that. Most people see it as risky behaviour.
These are evidence, amounting to proof in my eyes, that Fedora isn't
suitable for important daily use.
If you can handle problems such as those,
i hope so ;)
if all goes wrong i need a rescue- or live-cd and chroot
and they won't seriously inconvenience you if your system is down for
a day or more, then by all means use Fedora for day-to-day work.
one day ore more without fedora/redhat ?
max. 2 - 4 hours and i should have fedora back for my day_to_day_work
even on a completely new system.
I had in mind something that happened to me while I was over east. In
this case, a power failure took out a switch, and let the smoke out. It
was a week before I got back to attend to it.
It could as easily have been this, if i relied on automatic updates.
1. A new kernel gets installed. As it's the Fedora default behaviour,
it's marked as the default for booting.
2. Power fails.
3. System boots. Kernel oops.
ok,
let us go back to rawhide ;)
I was telling Antonio I think it foolish to rely on Rawhide's reliability.
You, shrek-m, suggested Fedora's okay for regular use. I dispute that
that is so, unless circumstances and your skills are sufficient to
overcome any problems, and unless the consequences of a serious outage
are no more than an annoyance.
You're free to make your own choice for your own use, but please don't
recommend it for general use. I've heard of folk running
business-essential servers on Fedora, and that seems to me fairly
serious folly. Risk of an outage is fairly high, and so is the likely
cost, especially compared with properly-supported business-grade Linux.
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John
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