gb spam <gbofspam@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > In any case, the /reasonable/ dial-up user will check locally first. Plus > > somebody who has got just dialup is quite unlikely to have enough machine > > to spare to install gobs of useless stuff... > > unlikely maybe, but does that mean we should have a policy to exclude them? > large user base * unlikely = significant numbers Unlikely == unlikely. That there are 100 users that really (think) they need it doesn't make it fly. Need to consider how much it costs to cater for them, and if they are few and the cost is high, it just isn't worthwhile. The crux of the problem is that from the chair in front of the machine-to-be-installed the costs look a whole lot different than from the chair of the engineer who has to implement it and of the other one who has to deal with the fallout... Note again, the talk is about an "Everything" install, but a quite strange one: No "languages I don't use", please (How is the installer to know I am confortable with English, Spanish and German? Others wouldn't install those and want Japanese...); no "useless packages" (who is to say a package like gnome-screensaver is/isn't useless?); "just Core" but "all I might need once in a blue moon" (i.e., Extras + the kitchen sink, please); "spare the user painful downloads via dialup" just so she suffers from painful updates all the time. Rahul is right: Come up with /concrete/ cases of off-the-wall configurations that can't be handled nicely right now, and suggest ways to handle them sanely. Give guesstimates of numbers of users. Note that one-off power-user profiles won't cut it too much, as those (should) know their way around and so be able to tweak the install to their heart's content anyway. Installing your favorite operating system is /not/ ordering a package deal at $RANDOM_FAST_FOOD_CHAIN, please. -- Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 654431 Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 654239 Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile Fax: +56 32 797513 -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list