On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 07:45 +0200, tony wrote: > Le dimanche 01 mai 2005 à 22:06 +1000, Rodd Clarkson a écrit : > <snip> > > > since gstreamer has grown up > > enough to be a viable backend. > > Now that is what I call a subjective opinion... > Sure, the world's full of subjective opinions. Of course, I didn't say that gstreamer was perfect, I just said that it had grown up enough to be a viable backend. Given that this is the direction that GNOME, Fedora and it would appear KDE are keen to take in terms of handing media formats it's probably fair to say that you'll have to endure gstreamer while it is 'fixed', or use some none fedora supplied alternative. > When totem and gstreamer are capable of playing back DVB (live TV and > recordings) out of the box I will say they are grown up enough for me. > When it knows that I have dvdcss installed and play MPAA crippled DVDs I > will say viable. I play DVD's (region encoded, dvdcss protected) at the moment and playback is quite good. One of the really nice things about gstreamer is that the media formats are handled using plugins, so Fedora can supply the formats it feels comfortable in using and you can easily add other formats as you need. A good place to look for this is the gstreamer website (http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/) Add the necessary yum repo information and then install those extra bits that gstreamer doesn't come with on fedora. I'm using the FC3 repo on the gstreamer site with FC4T1 (updated to current) and it's working quite well. > Until that day xine (which also has xxmc mpeg2 acceleration on my > machine) will stay player of choice. I don't know how xine compares, but as I understand it adding support for other formats/codecs requires a rebuild in xine which makes it quite awkward for the needs of Fedora, Redhat and other distributions who do not want to supply no-free formats, but who are trying not to make it hard for users to add, by themselves, after the install. Xine certainly had a jump start on gstreamer, but I believe that gstreamer tries to do a little more than xine in terms of functionality. Regardless, with GNOME using is for the media backend and KDE very seriously looking at it (offering the chance at a unified media framework across desktops - a Good Thing (TM) in my opinion*) Fedora would be made to ignore it. Rodd * see the comments regarding opinions at the top of the reply. ;-]