On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:02:45PM +0200, Bernd Bartmann wrote: > Hi, > > yet again several updates have appeared for FC3/4 on the download > mirrors, but some of them were never announced on > fedora-announce-list. Even more confusing is that "Fedora Weekly News > Issue #1" lists some of the missing announcements but not all. As FC4 > is out now I've also created a bugzilla tracking bug for the missing > announcements. So here is the list of what's currently missing: > gamin-0.1.1-1.FC4, released 2005-06-14, #161113 [...] > Can we please get this problem fixed once and for all if not for the > older FC released but at least starting with FC4? Currently as a maintainer, pushing a fedora update I need step 1/ to build the update in the appropriate channel step 2/ label it with an unique number step 3/ ask and wait for it to be pushed step 4/ once pushed use a very unconvenient script to generate the boilerplate for the announcement step 5/ mail the announcement 1/ 2/ and 3/ are under my control, I do them in batch, then there is an asynchronous mechanism, and then after "some" time I need to do the messy 4/ and 5/ steps. Concusion: Being a lazy computer guy (remember it's a virtue) once 3/ is done I tend to think I have done my part, the bits are out, and I don't feel compelled at all to go to 4/ and 5/ Moreover, getting bug reports about missing announcement just generate frustration, I don't like pushing updates as a result, and if you were among the ones who waited 3 months for a gamin official update on FC3 between 0.0.25 and 0.1.1 you know why now, I just hate pushing updates but the srpms are available on my home page. Now if you want the reason why gamin-0.1.1 was pushed: - on FC3 it fixes the zillion bugs present and found in 0.0.25 - on FC4 it fixes the desktop update on dynamically mounted USB media Writing this mail is way less painful than sending the real announcements. If I hadn't the Damocles sword of those missing update bug reports, I would probably push bug fixes faster. Whether I must be whipped for being lazy, or the tool for pushing announcement need to be changed or missing announcement should not be considered bugs, there is a choice, the current situation does not seems pleasant to you, it's not really for me either. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/ veillard@xxxxxxxxxx | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/