After trying out another distro (which did not install on one computer and worked poorly on another computer), I tested my problem with xscreensavers on the new install. The version is on a 7 gig partition so it is pretty minimal. (No KDE pretty much a desktop install) Problem 1: On installation was disk hunting when mc, k3b, linx, festival were part of the chosen install. I had to insert disk 3 after disc 4 completed, disc 1, then disc 3 and disc 1 again. Problem 2: .xscreensavers is created in the user home directory which prevents one from viewing. I had to install xscreensaver-extras-4.21-4 and xscreensaver-gl-extras-4.21-4 via yum, but they were installed on the other everything install that I performed earlier. If one opens a terminal and runs rm .xscreens* as a regular user the full stock of screensavers is available. I am ruling out this being by design to prevent multiple users from running screensaver to bog down the computer. The permissions would have prevented me from the ability to remove the file as a regular user. A minor detail to remove the file. A harder thing to know what is causing the problem on clean installs. Problem 3: Blue border around terminals once X is launched. This is probably cured by the tricks used by others when replacing the file talked about. With the latest version of X (xorg-x11-6.8.2-37), I get a blue border, orange terminal and yellow text. This is with an Intel 815 video card set to 1280x1024@24. If you run a program such as setup or mutt in a virtual terminal, there is no blue except for the border. Problem 4: Evolution is dog slow when downloading mail from an ISP pop server. Problem 5: Firefox is nothing but trouble. I downloaded two ISO images from the net, then chose cleanup, which removed the files from disk and did not even stop at the trashcan. Why such a feature? If you are downloading something, don't you think you intend to keep it? (I thought that it would clear the list only.) Jim