I bit the bullet and am playing with test 2 on above machine. The good: - DVB card recognised and modules loaded on boot hey udev is fixed! - most stuff seems to work The bad: - having some USB issues which lead to machine locking hard and have not found logs as to what is wrong yet (plugging in a USB key and unmounting it is an example) - xine won't compile with gcc4... how do I watch TV with the working DVB card =;-p The ugly: - can't get my own kernel to boot - HAL udev stuff I guess giving me permission refused messages when jdb and ext3 modules try to load I need to make a kernel with DRM/DRI for the CLE266 and other VIA specific stuff Cheers Tony