On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:21:05 -0400, Colin Walters <walters@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > This is deliberate. We want Emacs as part of the default installation > for all of us Emacs weenies, but Emacs is not a typical end user > application, so it shouldn't be in the menu. This is contradictory to some extent. Emacs weenies...pitchs forks and blazing torches in hand demand emacs be available by default because they can't be bothered to do a custom install. But the compromise requires a delibrate attempt to hide emacs from new users and new programmers who would enjoy using emacs as a development tool. Suck it up, stand up for the design principle of the default desktop install concept..and move emacs over to workstation install and give it an entry in Programming submenu. If any application fits into the definition of "Workstation" as defined in anaconda at the moment..its emacs. -jef"its very very easy to decide to cut what other people want from the default desktop install...but the rubber hits the road when the developers and maintainers themselves finally start moving their favorite development and administration tools out of the default install and into the workstation install as a matter of design principle"spaleta