Latest rawhide update gives hal and NetworkManager version numbers: NetworkManager-0.3.1-1 NetworkManager-gnome-0.3.1-1 hal-0.4.0-9 First run: made sure NetworkManager started on startup. Opened up gnome console and started NetworkManagerInfo. Applet came up in notification area. Chose "Other Wireless Network" and typed in essid of wireless network (it is non-essid-broadcasting network). This *completely* froze the machine and had to do a hard reboot. Before freezing, console message was "Forcing device /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/eth1" Second run: made sure NetworkManager was running. With utmost trepidation, opened up gnome console and typed in NetworkManagerInfo. Machine did not freeze this time, typed in ESSID of network as before. Voila! System-log shows connected. But also shows network connecting and disconnecting every second or so. Log attached below: Oct 27 16:06:15 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002) Oct 27 16:06:15 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) Oct 27 16:06:22 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: AP Changed (0003) Oct 27 16:06:25 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002) Oct 27 16:06:25 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) Oct 27 16:06:28 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: AP Changed (0003) As a result, network access is sporadic at best. output of /var/lib/pcmcia/stab is: Socket 0: Intersil PRISM2 11 Mbps Wireless Adapter 0 network orinoco_cs 0 eth1 Socket 1: empty Anyone else seen this ? Gone back to stopping NM and using ifup, iwconfig etc (and logging out of X once hostname is set due to xauth *sigh*). Amitabha