Re: new criterion proposal: Graphical package managers (take #2)

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On Mon, 2022-01-24 at 15:28 +0100, Kamil Paral wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 12:36 AM Adam Williamson <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2022-01-21 at 18:20 -0500, John Mellor wrote:
> > > 
> > > Ok, so would that allowance not violate 2 of the proposed criteria:
> > > 
> > >  1. * The displayed state of software or software sources must not
> > >     differ from their actual state. (E.g. an RPM package must not be
> > >     shown as installed when it is not, a repository must not be shown as
> > >     disabled or missing when it is enabled, etc).
> > >  2. * The package manager must never make the system enter an
> > >     inconsistent or unbootable state. (E.g. damage the local software
> > >     database, remove wrong system files, break the bootloader, etc).
> > 
> > We probably should carve out an allowance there, in fact, yeah. Kamil,
> > what do you think?
> > 
> 
> I think that I don't understand what the issue is :-) Can you re-phrase
> "carve out an allowance" and be more specific?
> 
> If this is about power outages, I don't see any problem here. A power
> outage is not the package manager's failure, and so those criteria don't
> apply.

I can see someone proposing it, though. "I lost power in the middle of
an update and now the system is unbootable". Whether it was "caused" by
the power failure or the package manager is kind of a matter of
perspective. I just figured it might be worth a footnote to explicitly
specify that such situations aren't covered, for clarity. It's
technically true that a system whose power got cut could fail all sorts
of criteria, I guess...it just feels more likely that someone might
think this criterion means the package manager is meant to handle it, I
guess.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA
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https://www.happyassassin.net

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