Re: "runc" versus "containerd" versus "containerd.io"?

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On Fri, 29 Mar 2019, Daniel Walsh wrote:

> On 3/29/19 7:08 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >   i'm sure i will embarrass myself for asking this, but i'm confused
> > about the relationship on my F30 (branched) system between those three
> > packages. i can see that they are all container runtime packages, but
> > i get confused when i run commands to try to understand how they
> > relate to each other, as they clearly(?) represent alternatives for
> > container runtimes.
> >
> >   currently, on my system, rpm reports that only containerd.io is
> > installed:
> >
> > $ rpm -q runc
> > package runc is not installed
> > $ rpm -q containerd
> > package containerd is not installed
> > $ rpm -q containerd.io
> > containerd.io-1.2.4-3.1.fc29.x86_64
> >
> >   however, the man page that works is "man containerd", not "man
> > containerd.io".
> >
> >   also, even though rpm suggests that, as packages, containerd.io is
> > installed and containerd is not, dnf repoquery seems to report the
> > opposite:
> >
> > $ dnf repoquery -l containerd.io
> > Last metadata expiration check: 0:29:11 ago on Fri 29 Mar 2019
> > 06:32:46 AM EDT.
> > $
> >
> > $ dnf repoquery -l containerd
> > Last metadata expiration check: 0:30:22 ago on Fri 29 Mar 2019
> > 06:32:46 AM EDT.
> > /etc/containerd
> > /etc/containerd/config.toml
> > /usr/bin/containerd
> > /usr/bin/containerd-shim
> > /usr/bin/ctr
> > .... etc etc ...
> >
> >   finally, while "dnf info runc" reports that there is a runc package,
> > trying to install unsurprisingly produces:
> >
> > $ sudo dnf install runc
> > ... snip ...
> > Package containerd.io-1.2.4-3.1.fc29.x86_64 is already installed.
> > ... etc ...
> >
> >   so i'm sure there is a relationship involving provides and conflicts
> > or something of the sort, i'm just confused as to what's happening
> > here. (if there is a better forum for a question like this, by all
> > means, let me know.)
> >
> > rday
> >
> It looks like containerd.io is providing its own version of runc
> which conflicts with runc.
>
> runc is a container runtime (An OCI Container Runtime) to be
> specific
>
> containerd is a container engine, just like Podman, Docker, Moby,
> Buildah, CRI-O
>
> Containerd I believe is packaged incorrectly and should either use
> the systems runc or imbed its own into a private directory, and
> should not conflict with runc.
>
> I opened a bug on this.
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1694046
>
> Not sure how this package made it through package review.
>
> As for the naming, I have no idea. 
>
> You shold pobably add your comments on naming to this bugzilla.

  will do, and thank you for not making fun of me for being this
confused. :-)

rday

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