On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 23:15 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > Tackling this one separately: > > Current Fedora 22 final release criteria of concern and some distain: > > "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable > partition layout using any file system and/or container format > combination offered in a default installer configuration." > > That's a lot of concepts to chew off in a single sentence, I can > hardly imagine how long that'd take to translate into another > language. Including English! > > - as Fedora ships on official media, the installer supports XYZ > supported storage volume combinations; > - only those combinations are in context; not kickstart, not hand > editing the Python code, etc; > - if the user can compel the installer UI to create a storage volume > layout; > - the installer should create exactly that, and successfully install > Fedora to it. > > Is that a fair derivative restatement of that criterion? > > DRAFT: The Fedora supplied installer must successfully complete an > installation of Fedora to any layout the user creates in Manual > Partitioning. > > That pretty much says any possible combination of create, remove, > assign, with the installer itself as the guardian of what those > things can be, that the user can finagle out of the installer, must > result in a successful installation. Not unreasonable if there > should be trust in the UI. Either the installation must happen and > work, or the layout must not be permitted. *shrug* > > Could redirect the language it by replacing "must" with "should" to > make this a matter of honor and pride, rather than some sort of > weird edict coming at the last minute for final... Honestly, I don't think any of the language you're criticizing is as bad as you make it out to be. But as a larger point - the problem with that criterion is not the language, the problem is *the criterion*. We have never actually lived up to it, and no-one really buys into living up to it. We need something narrower, but it's very hard to draft something specific that genuinely captures *everything* we want to block on at Final *but no more than that*. Still, that's the problem that really could do with attention. Re-stating 'it's gotta do everything' isn't really solving any interesting problems. Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
