On Fri, 2014-12-05 at 00:09 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > It happens. Building software is hard. > > That's all you add here? Seriously? Yes, because I don't really think this is going anywhere. If you really want to see a change here, draft up a comprehensive proposal to change the updates policy, with consideration of *all* its impacts, and run it by devel@ and FESCo (who are in charge of that policy). Example: docker-io-1.3.2-2.fc20, a CVE fix, is broken, DOA. Any earlier build is insecure. docker-io-1.3.2-4.fc20 works fine. However, we have docker-io-1.3.2-2.fc21 in F21 stable (as far as I've been able to tell it works fine on F21, but it's really irrelevant as F21 is hard frozen), which is frozen for release. Do we not ship docker-io-1.3.2-4.fc20 to F20 now? And if you want to allow exceptions for CVEs, how do we do that without excessive bureaucracy and without just allowing packagers to use their discretion, which is what we do already anyway? > > The updates policy places a degree of trust in maintainers to know what > > an appropriate update policy for their packages is. > > For mass-updates to multiple dist releases, you need help from an updates > system and an enforced upgradepath check. Or else you could never enable > karma based automatic pushes. It's this kind of 'never' thing that is tiring me out and maybe making me snippy. Yes, you can. We do. It works. People use Fedora. It works. Nothing explodes. I've got a dozen systems on the damn thing, and no, I don't tend them obsessively. My servers all run Fedora and update with cron scripts. They work. I've upgraded them all from F15 or so up to F19-F20, with yum and fedup. They work. So I tend to be just inherently cynical about proposals which seem to be a) based on the idea that everything is terrible, terribly, utterly broken right now and b) don't seem to consider the *good* things about the current situation as well as the *bad* ones. If you consider both the good and bad things about a change proposal, but only the bad things about the current situation, almost any change is going to look good, but it's a bad way of considering things. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
