I have just skimmed through the proposed new page about joining QA and I think it is a welcome improvement in the right direction. I second Viking and Adam's suggestion to leave out any mention of Bugzappers (and possibly even Proven testers). The how to guide on triaging bugs listed under Bugzappers [1] seems quite useful and I think it would be a good idea to link them directly from the triaging subsection until we figure a more permanent home for those useful info. Currently, it is two chains down when it provides a distilled info about triaging. Of course though, the seasoned members of QA might not want an overenthusiastic newcomer to run rampant with bug triaging. Can I also suggest giving more prominence to reporting bugs? I believe reporting bugs (along with testing) is probably the major activity carried out in any QA and deserves a subsection on its own. This is just me providing my input as a relative newcomer to the team. So, please feel free to disagree. [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/How_to_Triage -- Thanks, Barneedhar. On 4 January 2014 10:35, Mike Ruckman <roshi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hey all! After some talking with danofsatx and looking through the > wiki, we thought the Join page could use a little de-wallification. > > Dan and I have created an alternate page I propose we use instead. You > can see it on my user page [1]. The thought is for this page to be a > living document that changes as QA does. Please take a minute > to check it out and give us some feedback. Viking provided some feedback > earlier and had some reservations which I've noted below. > > 1 - Mentioning Triage (Bugzappers) > 2 - Mentioning Stable releases (Proven Testers) > 3 - Specifying people (Such as Tim Flink as contact for developing > tools) > > 1 & 2 Viking suggested we leave those two areas off the Join page > until it has been decided what to do with them. Testing and Triage go > hand in hand - so logically someone doing one would do both. Viking is > in the midst of figuring out a way to gracefully merge the two. I agree > testing and triage should be together - I just don't know about removing > any mention of them from the Join page. > > While I think I understand the logic of removing mention of Bugzappers > and Proven Testers, I don't think we should remove mention of the > information contained within those areas of the wiki. Regardless the > status of those groups, we still need to test stable releases and > triage bugs - and we need new contributors to join in. It seems to me, > we should duplicate the information somewhere neutral. [2] > > This allows the information to still be readily available to new > contributors, but lessens the chance of confusion regarding Bugzappers > and Proven Testers while their fate is decided. > > As for reservation 3, the only fix I can think of is to add a new > "tools" group or "tools" position to refer to - which we would have to > put someone in charge of. From what I understand, QA has stayed away > from bureaucracy in the past > - so we wouldn't want a position to put people in. While mentioning > people by name has a higher maintenance cost, it does seem a simple > solution and keeps the organization of QA flat. > > Regardless, if we remove mention of defunct groups and specific people, > we need to have a plan (which I'm more than willing to implement, once > it's decided) to get that information back to the page. It shouldn't be > removed and then forgotten. > > Any thoughts or solutions would be great. Thanks and have a good > weekend! > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Roshi/QA/Join > [2] Just for the record, I'm not a fan of duplicating information > needlessly :) > > // Roshi > > -- > test mailing list > test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
