On 01/14/2013 02:34 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
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From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:24:12 AM
Subject: Re: The heroes of Fedora 18 Final testing - wiki matrices
On 01/14/2013 12:16 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:56:11 +0000, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 01/14/2013 09:54 AM, Kamil Paral wrote:
I'd like to thank all who participated in Fedora 18 Final
testing. I have published some statistics here:
http://kparal.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/the-heroes-of-fedora-18-final-testing-wiki-matrices/
Thanks again.
Can you please remove any paid Red Hatter from that statistic
since no
community member can compete with that thanks.
That doesn't matter here at all. It's more important that actual
tests are
performed, and painstakingly. It's great to see people working on
this.
A bit of background for these statistics might be enlightening,
however.
I only remember the first Wiki "matrices", which are not everyone's
cup of tea,
and certainly there are lots of community people reporting
installer bugs
into bugzilla separately from this Wiki based activity.
Which is another point this only collects what got written in the
wiki
not what's reported in Bugzilla which excludes a largest group of our
reporters and some of our reporters might also be writing QA related
wiki pages and doing another QA related work. Dont those indviduals
deserve credit as well?
I woke up in the middle of the night Saturday night wondering how much time folks spent in blocker meetings this release.
Admittedly this is another item that could probably be at least partially automated - I spent about 2 hours collecting some stats manually from ALLLLL of the blocker meetings, which means there are probably some minor math/rounding errors here (but would probably still be looking at a 90% unfinished script had I tried that route) - but here's a snapshot:
* 4955 minutes of blocker meetings (that's more than 82 hours, almost 3.5 solid days of blocker meetings). This doesn't count anything done in a go/no-go, etc - with the longest clocking in at 291 minutes, unless you count Beta 2 + 2.1 meetings, since the first meeting got capped just before the 4 hour mark - which came in total at nearly 6.75 hours.)
* ~380 proposed/accepted blockers/nth discussed - this is individual bzs - does not repeatedly count blockers discussed more than once, twice... even 5 times, like our friend 855526. (The ~ here is because I literally wrote these down manually in a notebook rather than typing them out - when I got to the second page I started questioning why I did it this way, and by the fourth multi-columned 4th page let's just say that I believe that I am acquainted fully now with writing w/my new fountain pen.)
* # of lines said in meetings - just from what meetbot adds at the bottom of meeting minutes - tflink with 7882, adamw with 5276, kparal with 2149, vikingice with 1315, jreznik at 1077, many others numbering in the hundreds - jlk, nirik, martix, dan408, cmurf.
So there's some other QA work that deserves credit as well. :)
As Adam had gathered and posted to this list we have had double the
normal load on us during the F18 cycle and rawhide is surprisingly
stable at the moment maybe that's due to Kevins work just a fluke of
luck . ;)
As for the point regarding removing red hat folks from being counted because nobody can compete with their ability to have dedicated time - I think that's a mistake. And here's why:
* Context. Inevitably emails with *any* type of statistic will work their way around to all sorts of places - whether it's some internal pointy-haired-boss at red hat because someone on one team wants to ensure that the work of someone on another team is acknowledged by that person's boss, or someone thinks it can be used as a measure of "community health" as far as volunteer vs. paid work on a release to release basis (whether from our community or someone from another community), or someone thinks it might be useful to look at "what kind of man-hours would I be looking at to roll my own distro," or etc.
* Because people deserve to be thanked and acknowledged and get credit. Especially this release. Regardless of their where their paychecks come from. For those who are paid - it is thanks for not turning off the computer at 40 hours, or 60 hours, or more, for working on holidays for which they'll never get credit, etc. The folks in QA, paid and unpaid, collectively put a crapton of their spare time into this release.
Everyone on the QA team deserves a ton of credit, and gratitude, regardless of "how many" or "how long" we can calculate anything - I seriously salute all of you, for not pulling out your hair, for not walking away, for not lowering the bar. Saying thank you seems trivial because it doesn't even begin to cover or express everything, but I thank you all nonetheless.
And I will hereby volunteer that I am surprised that nobody has yet proposed "I survived F18" QA team shirts :)
hahah you act as this is just one time "I survived Fedora development
cycle" would be more accurate ;)
JBG
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