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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:03:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kamil Paral<kparal@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases
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Subject: Re: F18 TC3 No Logout Option?: Wonko the Sane
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> On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 06:45 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > >
> > > When I click on the User Name in the right corner the options
> > > are....
> > > Notifications, System Settings, Lock, and Power Off. Am I
> > > missing
> > > something?
> >
> > This is a new feature from the GNOME team (i.e. it's intended).
> > They believe there are no use cases for logging out, if you have
> > just a single user.
>
> Just read the thread up to current.... Am I the only one who thinks
> this
> conversation is insane?
>
> So now there will be logic to carefully look at whether there is more
> than one user account, then look to see if more than one session
> installed. Then the startx case may or may not (I'd bet not) be
> dealt
> with. And sometimes when you run updates you get a message about
> needing to log off and back on and sometimes you are told to reboot
> so I
> suppose that needs to also be accounted for.. or just always force
> reboots since apparently Windows is now our lodestar.
>
> All these bugs to deal with just to remove a menu option that wasn't
> hurting anyone. So I take it all other problems are now solved and
> we
> are free to waste time twisting knobs just for the heck of it now?
>
> People expect to be log in and then log out of machines, online
> services, pretty much everywhere. Where is the study showing this is
> confusing the always mythical hordes of AOLers who are supposed to be
> clammoring to welcome to the Penguin's icy embrace if we could only
> dumb
> it down just one notch below a Mac? Where? Anyone? Beuller?
>
> Maybe, just maybe, I want to log out when I'm not using the machine
> because I have good security habits. A modern machine has good
> enough
> power management that powering down completely is usually overkill,
> or
> have you guys just woke up from a coma and think it is still the
> 1990's?
> Any of you geniuses thought about that use case? Haven't security
> people been hammering that one into people's thick skulls since long
> before Linus was acrolling aaaaas and bbbbs across a screen and
> getting
> grandiose notions of world domination? Yes they have. And this
> change
> hoses all that effort.
>
> There is exactly one use case where eliminating the logout option
> almost
> makes sense, the case where a machine is set to automatically login
> an
> account on boot. But that still doesn't cover every possibility
> without
> a lot of extra effort.
>
> Now you kids get the heck off my lawn and go reread "baggy pantsing"
> in
> the Jargon File.
I have to say I agree with you. They create too much complexity (which will be broken by definition) to create a tiny simplification. This is an example of overkill.
But I also have to say that GNOME mailing list/bugzilla/IRC is a much better place to direct your feedback, because just a few members of the GNOME team might read it here, and even that's not granted.
on #fedora-desktop today:
<satellit_e> I do not like the loss of logout in Gnome. We use a gnome
+sugar-desktop setup for education ...snip... and need to log out to get
to gdm to switch DE's It is bad to have to reboot to switch
<mclasen> if there are multiple desktops, logout should be shown
<satellit_e> not in f18 Beta TC2
<mclasen> or maybe you are seeing 'switch session' ?
<satellit_e> I have but it did not work for me last time I tried it.
Will retest
<satellit_e> thanks
.....snip....
<mclasen> yes, switch session does not work
<mclasen> which is why we're removing it in 3.6.1
<mclasen> instead, log out will be shown again in that situation
.....snip....
<mclasen> where 'that situation' = single user, multiple sessions
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