F18 Beta Blocker Bug Review #3 Minutes

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#fedora-qa: f18beta-blocker-review-3
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Note that we did not get through all of the bugs today and we will be
having another review meeting tomorrow.

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-10-10/f18beta-blocker-review-3.2012-10-10-16.05.html
Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-10-10/f18beta-blocker-review-3.2012-10-10-16.05.txt
Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-10-10/f18beta-blocker-review-3.2012-10-10-16.05.log.html



Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call  (tflink, 16:05:28)

* Introduction  (tflink, 16:12:11)
  * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and
    nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor
    the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have
    bugs.  (tflink, 16:12:20)
  * We'll be following the process outlined at:  (tflink, 16:12:28)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
    (tflink, 16:12:28)
  * The bugs up for review today are available at:  (tflink, 16:12:35)
  * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current   (tflink,
    16:12:35)
  * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:  (tflink,
    16:12:43)
  * LINK:
    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria
    (tflink, 16:12:43)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria
    (tflink, 16:12:43)
  * LINK:
    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria
    (tflink, 16:12:43)
  * 28 Proposed Blockers  (tflink, 16:13:29)
  * 10 Accepted Blockers  (tflink, 16:13:29)
  * 5 Proposed NTH  (tflink, 16:13:29)
  * 8 Accepted NTH  (tflink, 16:13:29)
  * This meeting will be stopped at 3 hours - any remaining blocker bugs
    to review will be done tomorrow at a second gathering of reviewers
    (tflink, 16:16:11)

* (847831) kickstart boot fails with %include file generated by %pre
  (tflink, 16:17:30)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847831   (tflink,
    16:17:30)
  * Proposed Blocker, ASSIGNED  (tflink, 16:17:30)
  * AGREED: 847831 - This still needs more testing, will revisit when
    there is more understanding of what parts of kickstart are affected
    here  (tflink, 16:31:57)

* (856362) KeyError: 'la-latin1'  (tflink, 16:32:03)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=856362   (tflink,
    16:32:03)
  * Proposed Blocker, POST  (tflink, 16:32:03)
  * AGREED: 856362 - This is an upgrade issue and we still can't confirm
    whether or not the new tools is affected by it. Will revisit after
    we have a testable upgrade tool  (tflink, 16:35:04)

* (862006) NameError: global name 'size_func_kwargs' is not defined
  (tflink, 16:43:04)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862006   (tflink,
    16:43:04)
  * Proposed Blocker, POST  (tflink, 16:43:04)
  * ACTION: adamw to discuss with anaconda team whether LVM ought to be
    release blocking and make a proposal to the list (re 862006)
    (adamw, 16:48:58)
  * discussion on LVM related criteria will be continued outside the
    meeting  (tflink, 17:00:14)
  * AGREED: 862006 - we agreed in principle that the criteria should be
    adjusted to require creation of all offered filesystem types to work
    at beta, therefore as LVM is offered, this bug is accepted as a
    blocker  (adamw, 17:04:41)
  * ACTION: propose revision to partitioning criterion such that all
    partition types offered in the UI should work  (tflink, 17:05:09)

* (862801) Anaconda hangs when 'Configuring installed system'  (tflink,
  17:05:53)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862801   (tflink,
    17:05:54)
  * Proposed Blocker, NEW  (tflink, 17:05:54)
  * AGREED: 862801 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha
    release criterion: "The installer must be able to complete an
    installation using the text, graphical and VNC installation
    interfaces"  (tflink, 17:08:11)

* (860430) RFE: dual boot support in newui  (tflink, 17:08:22)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860430   (tflink,
    17:08:22)
  * Proposed Blocker, ON_QA  (tflink, 17:08:23)
  * AGREED: 860430 - RejectedBlocker (Beta), AcceptedNTH (beta),
    AcceptedBlocker (final) - While this does not clearly violate any
    F18 alpha or beta release criteria, it does hit the dual-boot
    release criterion for F18 final and a tested fix would be considered
    past freeze.  (tflink, 17:28:36)

* (858591) anaconda setting invalid system locale xx.UTF-8 not
  xx_YY.UTF-8  (tflink, 17:28:48)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=858591   (tflink,
    17:28:51)
  * Proposed Blocker, VERIFIED  (tflink, 17:28:54)
  * AGREED: 858591 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha
    release criterion for a non-insignificant number of locales: "In
    most cases, a system installed according to any of the above
    criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot
    after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the
    user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. The firstboot
    utility must be able to create a working user account"  (tflink,
    17:34:24)

* (862784) error: rpmdb open failed  (tflink, 17:34:47)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862784   (tflink,
    17:34:47)
  * Proposed Blocker, NEW  (tflink, 17:34:47)
  * ACTION: adamw propose partitioning criterion rewording such that
    partitions other than /home are not required to be re-usable at beta
    (adamw, 17:40:05)
  * AGREED: 862784 - While this does potentially violate F18 beta
    release criteria, that was not the spirit in which they were
    written. Will revisit after discussion on test@ regarding rewording
    the partitioning release criteria.  (tflink, 17:44:21)

* (855560) F18 Live Alpha : nVidia GeForce 8600M GT, graphic driver
  (nouveau): very poor performance (vesa is fluid)  (tflink, 17:44:41)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855560   (tflink,
    17:44:44)
  * Proposed Blocker, NEW  (tflink, 17:44:46)
  * AGREED: 855560 - RejectedBlocker - There seem to be no new reporters
    and the existing reporters aren't retesting. Therefore, we conclude
    that this isn't a big enough problem to accept as a blocker for F18
    beta.  (tflink, 17:48:41)

* (745202) gnome-shell does not display correctly with NV3x adapters -
  multicolor corruption of panel, Shell-style menus and text [nvfx]
  (tflink, 17:48:50)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=745202   (tflink,
    17:48:53)
  * Proposed Blocker, NEW  (tflink, 17:48:56)
  * AGREED: 745202 - RejectedBlocker - Affected systems still boot into
    fallback mode and the HW blacklist seems to still be appropriate
    with current versions of mesa 9.x. Since fallback mode still
    functions, this is rejected as a blocker for F18 beta  (tflink,
    17:55:14)

* (864204) AttributeError: 'YumConf' object has no attribute
  '_repos_persistdir'  (tflink, 17:57:24)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864204   (tflink,
    17:57:27)
  * Proposed Blocker, NEW  (tflink, 17:57:30)
  * AGREED: 864204 - There is not enough information on the image used
    or exactly what went wrong here. Ask for more information from the
    reporter - if there is nothing new @ the next review meeting, this
    will be rejected as a blocker.  (tflink, 18:03:09)

* (862971) ValueError: Cannot remove extended partition sda4.  Logical
  partitions present.  (tflink, 18:03:22)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862971   (tflink,
    18:03:25)
  * Proposed Blocker, ON_QA  (tflink, 18:03:28)
  * AGREED: 862971 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 beta
    release criterion for systems using extended partitions: "The
    installer's custom partitioning mode must be capable of the
    following: ... Creating, destroying and assigning mount points to
    partitions of any specified size using most commonly-used filesystem
    types"  (tflink, 18:05:58)

* (863451) AttributeError: 'DeviceFormat' object has no attribute
  'peStart'  (tflink, 18:06:04)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863451   (tflink,
    18:06:07)
  * Proposed Blocker, NEW  (tflink, 18:06:09)
  * AGREED: 863451 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 beta
    release criteria for the removal of LVM partitions: "The installer's
    custom partitioning mode must be capable of the following: ...
    Creating, destroying and assigning mount points to partitions of any
    specified size using most commonly-used filesystem types"  (tflink,
    18:16:25)

* (863582) KeyError: 'payload'  (tflink, 18:16:33)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863582   (tflink,
    18:16:33)
  * Proposed Blocker, ON_QA  (tflink, 18:16:34)
  * AGREED: 863582 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha
    release criterion: "The installer must be able to complete an
    installation using automatic partitioning to any sufficiently large
    target disk, whether unformatted, empty, or containing any kind of
    existing data"  (tflink, 18:19:32)

* (853508) nfsiso source for stage2 does not work  (tflink, 18:19:44)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=853508   (tflink,
    18:19:44)
  * Proposed Blocker, ASSIGNED  (tflink, 18:19:44)
  * ACTION: kparal to propose changing the NFS remote package source
    criterion to require _either_ nfs or nfsiso to work @ beta  (tflink,
    18:34:37)
  * AGREED: - The nfs package source criterion should be modified such
    that _either_ nfs or nfsiso should work @ beta  (tflink, 18:36:32)
  * AGREED: 853508 - RejectedBlocker (Beta) - Due to the accepted
    criterion change above (xx:36) and the fact that nfs does function
    as a remote package source, this is rejected as a blocker for F18
    beta  (tflink, 18:39:13)

* (863348) ValueError: Cannot remove non-leaf device 'vda2'  (tflink,
  18:39:29)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863348   (tflink,
    18:39:29)
  * Proposed Blocker, POST  (tflink, 18:39:29)
  * AGREED: 863348 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha
    release criterion: "The installer must be able to complete an
    installation using automatic partitioning to any sufficiently large
    target disk, whether unformatted, empty, or containing any kind of
    existing data"  (tflink, 18:43:09)

* (864771) KeyError: PartitionDevice instance (0x7f0f28b016d0)  (tflink,
  18:43:15)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864771   (tflink,
    18:43:15)
  * Proposed Blocker, NEW  (tflink, 18:43:15)
  * AGREED: 864771 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 beta
    release criterion: "The installer's custom partitioning mode must be
    capable of the following: Creating, destroying and assigning mount
    points to partitions of any specified size using most commonly-used
    filesystem types ... Rejecting obviously invalid operations without
    crashing"  (tflink, 18:47:51)

* (863886) anaconda does not install firstboot  (tflink, 18:49:09)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863886   (tflink,
    18:49:09)
  * Proposed Blocker, MODIFIED  (tflink, 18:49:09)
  * AGREED: 863886 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha
    release criterion: "In most cases, a system installed according to
    any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on
    the first boot after installation, without unintended user
    intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in
    non-graphical mode."  (tflink, 18:51:55)

* (864058) anaconda main menu not visible in F18 Beta TC2 KDE Live
  (tflink, 18:55:15)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864058   (tflink,
    18:55:15)
  * Proposed Blocker, NEW  (tflink, 18:55:16)
  * AGREED: 864058 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha
    release criterion for the KDE spin: "The installer must boot (if
    appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system
    firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default
    live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media when written to an
    optical disc and when written to a USB stick with at least one of
    the officially supported methods"  (tflink, 19:01:16)

* Open Floor  (tflink, 19:02:07)
  * stopping at the 3 hour mark, will continue on 2012-10-11 @ 16:00 UTC
    with the remainder of the bugs not covered today  (tflink, 19:02:47)

Meeting ended at 19:07:42 UTC.




Action Items
------------
* adamw to discuss with anaconda team whether LVM ought to be release
  blocking and make a proposal to the list (re 862006)
* propose revision to partitioning criterion such that all partition
  types offered in the UI should work
* adamw propose partitioning criterion rewording such that partitions
  other than /home are not required to be re-usable at beta
* kparal to propose changing the NFS remote package source criterion to
  require _either_ nfs or nfsiso to work @ beta




Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* adamw
  * adamw to discuss with anaconda team whether LVM ought to be release
    blocking and make a proposal to the list (re 862006)
  * adamw propose partitioning criterion rewording such that partitions
    other than /home are not required to be re-usable at beta
* kparal
  * kparal to propose changing the NFS remote package source criterion
    to require _either_ nfs or nfsiso to work @ beta
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * propose revision to partitioning criterion such that all partition
    types offered in the UI should work




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* kparal (155)
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* jreznik (34)
* akshayvyas (23)
* zodbot (15)
* jlk (9)
* pschindl (6)
* digimer (4)
* Martix (1)
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