Dne Út 17. dubna 2012 22:02:40, Samuel Sieb napsal(a):
> John Morris wrote:
> > It doesn't. And nobody cares, go buy hardware that works the
> > way Pottering imagines it 'should' work is the closest you
> > will get to real world advice. It doesn't actually exist
> > mind you, so you can't really buy it. You will just have to
> > imagine how wonderful it would be.
> >
> > It is insane, it has been insane now for several years and is
> > only getting worse by the day. And when the insanity in one
> > subsystem, after years of pain, finally begins to subside it
> > will be rubbished and rebuilt from scratch again. Meh.
>
> It is so frustrating to hear people complaining about
> pulseaudio like this.
but I doubt it is as frustrating as being forced to use
PulseAudio when plain old ALSA has worked better ...
> Pulseaudio is an amazing improvement for the use of sound on
> Linux.
pity that a lot of people, including me, fail to see the
improvement - in fact, it is a huge disturbance for them
> For 99% of users, it just works like it should.
[Citation needed]
I manage three installs of Fedora and "it just works like it
should" simply doesn't hold true for any of them
yes, for 66.6% of the users of these installs "it just works" as
I've fixed the things for them ...
> I love how software mixing just works FOR ME and I can ...
^^^^^^
here, I've fixed that sentence for you
> In the cases where pulseaudio doesn't work, it's usually an
> ALSA bug or specialized audio cards which tend to come with
> their own control software anyways.
ROFL :-D :-D :-D
man, I'm really sorry but I cannot react to that in any other way
it's like one guy tried to persuade me recently that Akonadi
works perfectly, all the bugs are somewhere else - even when the
"akonadiserver" process is stuck and needs to be killed, it is
not a bug of Akonadi but a bug of KMail, LOL ...
> Either way, file a bug report
that's what I've done
- would you dare to guess what is the reaction?
> instead of writing off the whole thing just because it doesn't
> work for you.
no, I write it off "just because" the core philosophy behind the
project seems ill to me
I'm no control freak, I don't need things like JACK or what do
the professional musicians use, however, I need to be able to
control basic things while PA prevents me to control even those
imagine smörgåsbord ...
- the control freak wants to choose what is on the table, what
ingredients are used to prepare it, which spices etc. etc.
- I just want to choose a few pieces from the table and happily
eat what do I like and how do I like it
- PA takes from the table some random selection of things that
don't go together well, puts it in a bowl, melds it into
disguisting matter and feeds it to me through my nostrils
> Yes, there is usually some initial pain when major subsystems
> like audio or init get changed, but in the end, the result is
> so much better.
ahem, PA got introduced in F8[1], this is nearly 5 years ago!(*)
and the "result" is still a pain, I never had such issues with
plain ALSA
- but I repeat "I never had", 'cause ine pre-PA years I've been
using cards with hardware mixing; owners of the cheap integrated
ones may see that as a benefit, as previous attempts like ESD or
aRts weren't much better than PA either
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList
K.
(*) just FYI, there are users that simply do not have another 5
years to wait until PA's "child diseases" will be cured even if
they would pay anything to have those 5 years ...
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