RE: test Digest, Vol 92, Issue 32

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To All! There are CPU/bios extensions that are somehow, getting hacked,
onto machines! I keep getting the same response from developers from all
of the distros, update update update! Well i never installed them and,
Well it is impossible to update when there are extensions buried and
encrypted to ones bios that affect your CPU and APGM I have tried to
remove them, but no luck. There are a few tricks I learned to make the
install aware of them but somehow they always find their way into the
mix. It's a constant loop. This is complete insanity and very
frustrating! Until the distos check and remove all garbage prior to an
install I think any OS will fail if you have these extensions embedded.
I have 20 pc's that all have the same issue as well as clients locations
that are piling up. Even getting to a valid website is difficult when
your system is hacked from the go! Zues ring a bell.... This is 20 times
worse. Mac cant figure it out, they have my server now, windows, ha! I
challenge anyone that has a current resolution to this madness! I will
somehow make it worth your time. 


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Today's Topics:

 1. Re: unable to install f16 live to machine (Antonio Olivares)
 2. rawhide report: 20111007 changes (Rawhide Report)
 3. Re: grub2 confusion (Genes MailLists)
 4. Re: Final Release Criterion for Xen DomU (Tim Flink)
 5. Fedora-16-Beta-x86_64-Live-Desktop CD not working? (Jos Vos)
 6. Re: Re: Re: Todays f16 updates broken my KDE (Martin Airs)
 7. Unable to install Fedora 16 beta on 32-bit machine with XP
 dual boot (Al Dunsmuir)
 8. F16 Beta yum upgrade and initial impressions report
 (Jonathan Kamens)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 05:07:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Antonio Olivares <olivares14031@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: unable to install f16 live to machine
To: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases
 <test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
 <1317989225.74672.YahooMailClassic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1



--- On Thu, 10/6/11, Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: unable to install f16 live to machine
> To: "For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases" <test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 3:42 PM
> On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 15:27 -0700,
> Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > Dear folks,
> > 
> > I am running Fedora 16 Live Beta CD and in fallback
> mode, but cannot install it.? I select Install to CD
> from System Menu entry and it does nothing in this case.
> > 
> > I am happy to report that the machine runs from
> livecd.? No version of Fedora since Fedora 13 has run
> on this machine for a good while.? I had tried several
> livecds(Fedora Live) and none ran, they always bombed out
> with snd_hda errors that I had reported before, but the
> bugzilla was closed and I could not submit any information
> to developers on this machine.? 
> > 
> > http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_3a0479b3-b230-4b68-91aa-d8011e04ea1c
> > 
> > is the smolt profile from livecd.? I click on
> install to disk but it is failing.? How much disk space
> is needed?? I have 12 GB free on a 40 GB hard drive, I
> believe I should be able to install it there.
> > 
> > Any thoughts?? Or I can't install it here?
> 
> Open a console and run 'liveinst', that's the only way we
> can actually
> tell why it's not running.
> -- 

Thank you very much Adam for your input. Here's what comes out:

[liveuser@localhost ~]$ liveinst 

^C
[liveuser@localhost ~]$ Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "/usr/bin/anaconda-cleanup", line 88, in <module>
 devicetree.populate(cleanupOnly=True)
 File
"/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/pyanaconda/storage/devicetree.py",
line 1836, in populate
 self._populate(progressWindow)
 File
"/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/pyanaconda/storage/devicetree.py",
line 1873, in _populate
 self.topology =
devicelibs.mpath.MultipathTopology(udev_get_block_devices())
 File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/pyanaconda/storage/udev.py",
line 87, in udev_get_block_devices
 stdout = "/dev/tty5", stderr="/dev/tty5")
 File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/pyanaconda/iutil.py", line
144, in execWithRedirect
 proc.wait()
 File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 1270, in wait
 pid, sts = _eintr_retry_call(os.waitpid, self.pid, 0)
 File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 478, in
_eintr_retry_call
 return func(*args)
KeyboardInterrupt
^C


The process just sits there, I used CTRL+C to kill it, upon doing this I
get above message. I want to install F16 on this machine, because no
Fedora since F13 has run on it :(

Regards,

Antonio 


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 13:14:36 +0000
From: Rawhide Report <rawhide@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: rawhide report: 20111007 changes
To: devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20111007131436.GA8697@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Compose started at Fri Oct 7 08:15:32 UTC 2011

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>= 0:0.1.1-0
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Broken deps for i386
----------------------------------------------------------
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perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3)
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>= 0:0.1.1-0
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0:4.5.0.0
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New package: drupal7-backup_migrate-2.2-2.fc17
 Database backup, restore, and migrate module for Drupal 7


Updated Packages:

awstats-7.0-5.fc17
------------------
* Mon Oct 03 2011 Petr Lautrbach <plautrba@xxxxxxxxxx> 7.0-5
- fix multiple XSS and sql injection flaws (#740926)


cantor-4.7.2-1.fc17
-------------------
* Wed Oct 05 2011 Rex Dieter <rdieter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 4.7.2-1
- 4.7.2


claws-mail-plugins-3.7.10-7.fc17
--------------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Andreas Bierfert <andreas.bierfert[AT]lowlatency.de>
- 3.7.10-7
- pull cvs version of fancy for newer webkit support (rhbz#743834)
- fix debuginfo (rhbz#742249)


corosync-1.4.2-1.fc17
---------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Jan Friesse <jfriesse@xxxxxxxxxx> - 1.4.2-1
- New upstream release


dogtag-pki-theme-9.0.9-1.fc17
-----------------------------
* Thu Sep 22 2011 Andrew Wnuk <awnuk@xxxxxxxxxx> 9.0.9-1
- 'dogtag-pki-ca-theme'
- Bugzilla Bug #737423 - Ability to view migrated policy requests
 is very limited. (awnuk)
- 'dogtag-pki-common-theme'
- 'dogtag-pki-console-theme'
- 'dogtag-pki-kra-theme'
- 'dogtag-pki-ocsp-theme'
- 'dogtag-pki-ra-theme'
- 'dogtag-pki-tks-theme'
- 'dogtag-pki-tps-theme'
- Bugzilla Bug #737184 - TPS UI display admin user name as
 "undefined TUS Administrator". (awnuk)


eclipse-mylyn-3.6.2-1.fc17
--------------------------
* Fri Oct 07 2011 Alexander Kurtakov <akurtako@xxxxxxxxxx> 3.6.2-1
- Update to upstream 3.6.2 release.


eclipse-mylyn-commons-3.6.2-1.fc17
----------------------------------
* Fri Oct 07 2011 Alexander Kurtakov <akurtako@xxxxxxxxxx> 3.6.2-1
- Update to upstream 3.6.2 release.


eclipse-mylyn-tasks-3.6.0-3.fc17
--------------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Alexander Kurtakov <akurtako@xxxxxxxxxx> 3.6.0-3
- Fix Red Hat bugzilla custom transaction.


eclipse-pydev-2.2.3-1.fc17
--------------------------
* Fri Oct 07 2011 Alexander Kurtakov <akurtako@xxxxxxxxxx> 1:2.2.3-1
- Update to upstream 2.2.3 release.


fcoe-utils-1.0.20-4.fc17
------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Petr Sabata <contyk@xxxxxxxxxx> - 1.0.20-4
- Do not enable fcoemon by default (#701999)
- Silence systemctl output


gedit-latex-3.3.1-1.fc17
------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Ignacio Casal Quinteiro <icq@xxxxxxxxx> - 3.3.1-1
- New upstream release 3.3.1.


gnome-color-manager-3.2.0-3.fc17
--------------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Adam Jackson <ajax@xxxxxxxxxx> 3.2.0-3
- 0001-Initialize-error-pointer-for-gdk_pixbuf_new_from_fil.patch:
Backport
 a crash fix from mainline.


hwloc-1.2.2-1.fc17
------------------
* Fri Oct 07 2011 Jirka Hladky <hladky.jiri@xxxxxxxxx> - 1.2.2-1
- moved *.so to the devel package
 - libhwloc*so* in the main package

* Wed Oct 05 2011 Jirka Hladky <hladky.jiri@xxxxxxxxx> - 1.2.2-0
- 1.2.2 release
- Fix for BZ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=724937 for
32-bit PPC


iproute-2.6.39-5.fc17
---------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Petr Sabata <contyk@xxxxxxxxxx> - 2.6.39-5
- Fix ss, lnstat and arpd usage and manpages


ksh-20110630-5.fc17
-------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Michal Hlavinka <mhlavink@xxxxxxxxxx> - 20110630-5
- ksh sometimes returns wrong exit code when pid numbers are being
recycled


libuser-0.57.3-2.fc17
---------------------
* Tue Oct 04 2011 Miloslav Trma? <mitr@xxxxxxxxxx> - 0.57.3-2
- Wait up to 30 seconds for slapd to start in the test suite


lldpad-0.9.43-5.fc17
--------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Petr Sabata <contyk@xxxxxxxxxx> - 0.9.43-5
- Do not enable lldpad by default (#701999)


lua-posix-5.1.14-1.fc17
-----------------------
* Tue Sep 27 2011 Michel Salim <salimma@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> - 5.1.14-1
- Update to 5.1.14


man-db-2.6.0.2-3.fc17
---------------------
* Wed Oct 05 2011 Peter Schiffer <pschiffe@xxxxxxxxxx> - 2.6.0.2-3
- resolves: #702904
 fixed double free or corruption issue
- resolves: #739207
 require groff-base instead of groff
- rebuilt for gdbm-1.9.1-1


mingw32-nsiswrapper-8-1.fc17
----------------------------
* Fri Oct 07 2011 Romanov Ivan <drizt@xxxxxxx> - 8-1
- Use $PgrogramFiles as default install path (RHBZ#743002)


nspr-4.9-0.1.fc17.beta3
-----------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Elio Maldonado <emaldona@xxxxxxxxxx> - 4.9-0.1.beta3
- Update to NSPR_4_9_BETA3


ntp-4.2.6p4-1.fc17
------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@xxxxxxxxxx> 4.2.6p4-1
- update to 4.2.6p4
- buildrequire pps-tools-devel
- fix errors in ntpstat found by coverity


openldap-2.4.26-5.fc17
----------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Jan Vcelak <jvcelak@xxxxxxxxxx> 2.4.26-5
- rebuild: openldap does not work after libdb rebase (#743824)
- regression fix: openldap built without tcp_wrappers (#743213)


openvas-libraries-4.0.5-4.fc17
------------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Michal Ambroz <rebus at, seznam.cz> - 4.0.5-4
- fix the priorities string


pam_ssh-1.97-9.fc17
-------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Dmitry Butskoy <Dmitry@xxxxxxxxxxxx> - 1.97-9
- No more ghost /var/run/pam_ssh


pixman-0.23.4-1.fc17
--------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Soren Sandmann <ssp@xxxxxxxxxx> 0.23.4-1
- pixman 0.23.4


policycoreutils-2.1.7-3.fc17
----------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Dan Walsh <dwalsh@xxxxxxxxxx> - 2.1.7-3
- restorecond -u needs to watch terminal for exit if run outside of
dbus.


proftpd-1.3.4-0.15.rc3.fc17
---------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Paul Howarth <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 1.3.4-0.15.rc3
- Add upstream patch to not try make_scrambled_password_323 if the MySQL
 library doesn't export it (#718327, upstream bug 3669); this removes
support
 for password hashes generated on MySQL prior to 4.1


python-asciitable-0.8.0-1.fc17
------------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Sergio Pascual <sergiopr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> - 0.8.0-1
- New upstream version, reading and writing fixed-width tables


python-fedora-0.3.25.1-1.fc17
-----------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Toshio Kuratomi <toshio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> -
0.3.25.1-1
- Minor update to bugzilla email aliases

* Sat Sep 03 2011 Toshio Kuratomi <toshio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> - 0.3.25-1
- Upstream bugfix release that makes many TG2-server helper function
more usable
- Also, split the TG2 functionality into a separate subpackage from the
TG1
 functions


python-storm-0.19-1.fc17
------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Michel Salim <salimma@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> - 0.19-1
- Update to 0.19


python-virtinst-0.600.0-5.fc17
------------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Cole Robinson <crobinso@xxxxxxxxxx> - 0.600.0-5
- Bump version number to fix f16->rawhide upgrade path


qtoctave-0.10.1-7.fc17
----------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Kevin Kofler <Kevin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> - 0.10.1-7
- fix Octave help not working (#737297)

* Thu Oct 06 2011 Kevin Kofler <Kevin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> - 0.10.1-6
- fix crash when closing a dock tool within the first 5 seconds
(#722986)

* Thu Oct 06 2011 Kevin Kofler <Kevin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> - 0.10.1-4
- fix *.m filters in file dialogs (debian#620062, patch by S?bastien
Villemot)


radvd-1.8.2-1.fc17
------------------
* Fri Oct 07 2011 Jiri Skala <jskala@xxxxxxxxxx> - 1.8.2-1
- update to latest upstream version 1.8.2
- this update fixes CVE-2011-360{1..5}


ristretto-0.1.0-1.fc17
----------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Christoph Wickert <cwickert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> -
0.1.0-1
- Update to 0.1.0


roxterm-2.2.2-1.fc17
--------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Christoph Wickert <cwickert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> -
2.2.2-1
- Update to 2.2.2 (#743869)


selinux-policy-3.10.0-38.1.fc17
-------------------------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Dan Walsh <dwalsh@xxxxxxxxxx> 3.10.0-38.1
- Shrink size of policy through use of attributes for userdomain and
apache

* Wed Oct 05 2011 Miroslav Grepl <mgrepl@xxxxxxxxxx> 3.10.0-38
- Allow virsh to read xenstored pid file
- Backport corenetwork fixes from upstream
- Do not audit attempts by thumb to search config_home_t dirs
(~/.config)
- label ~/.cache/telepathy/logger telepathy_logger_cache_home_t
- allow thumb to read generic data home files (mime.type)

* Wed Oct 05 2011 Miroslav Grepl <mgrepl@xxxxxxxxxx> 3.10.0-37
- Allow nmbd to manage sock file in /var/run/nmbd
- ricci_modservice send syslog msgs
- Stop transitioning from unconfined_t to ldconfig_t, but make sure
/etc/ld.so.cache is labeled correctly
- Allow systemd_logind_t to manage /run/USER/dconf/user

* Mon Oct 03 2011 Dan Walsh <dwalsh@xxxxxxxxxx> 3.10.0-36.2
- Make allow_ptrace remove all ptrace


tftp-5.1-1.fc17
---------------
* Thu Oct 06 2011 Jiri Skala <jskala@xxxxxxxxxx> - 5.1-1
- updated to latest upstream - 5.1


tortoisehg-2.1.4-2.fc17
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* Fri Oct 07 2011 Mads Kiilerich <mads@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> - 2.1.4-2
- the real tortoisehg-2.1.4, not just a stupid proxy

* Thu Oct 06 2011 Mads Kiilerich <mads@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> - 2.1.4-1
- tortoisehg-2.1.4


xl2tpd-1.3.1-1.fc17
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* Thu Oct 06 2011 Paul Wouters <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> - 1.3.1-1
- Upgraded to 1.3.1
- Use ghost for /var/run files



Summary:
Added Packages: 1
Removed Packages: 0
Modified Packages: 40


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:24:22 -0400
From: Genes MailLists <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: grub2 confusion
To: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases
 <test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <4E8EFD86.1010507@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On 10/07/2011 03:38 AM, JB wrote:
> Eric Blake <eblake ><at> redhat.com> writes:

>> No. cp is not atomic. rename(2) (via mv(1), if both files are on the 
>> same device) is. Any solution that does not use rename(2) is flawed, 
>> because an ill-timed power-outage will leave the file in an inconsistent 
>> state.
> 
> Well, the only solution is a new option for mv(1), right ?
> mv --follow-symlink ... 
> 


 No - It seems to me the link should just be removed.

 The only purpose of symlink is (supposed) user ease to locate the real
file - which is compiled from building blocks anyway .. so there it
should not be hand changed at all.

 All the symlink does is add confusion and possibly some additional
risk ... remove it ..




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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 07:32:47 -0600
From: Tim Flink <tflink@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Final Release Criterion for Xen DomU
To: test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20111007073247.453bcf8c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 14:38:02 -0700
Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 16:02 -0400, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> 
> 
> It's not so much a question of 'do we have the resources in place to
> probably make sure it works at release time' but 'is it a terrible
> disaster if we make a release in which it's broken'. That's what the
> release validation process is meant to ensure, and _only_ that. It's
> not like, if we don't make it a release blocker, it means no-one will
> care about Xen and it will always be broken.

I think that another consideration would be that if Fedora doesn't work
as Xen DomU at release time, using the final media (DVD, netinstall ISO
etc.) to create DomUs will never work. I'm not as worried about Dom0 at
release time because unless I'm missing something, that could likely be
fixed with updates post-release.

Granted, using the DVDs isn't the only way to make a DomU but it's
certainly more difficult to create DomUs without them, especially if the
issue is with something that is not likely to get updated post-release
(anaconda, lorax et. al.).

I'm not sure that I'd vote for a release criteria to make DomU or Dom0
issues release blocking but unless there are objections, I think that
making Xen issues NTH for Final (and maybe Beta) would be a good idea.

Tim

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:42:10 +0200
From: Jos Vos <jos@xxxxxx>
Subject: Fedora-16-Beta-x86_64-Live-Desktop CD not working?
To: test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <201110071442.p97EgA5Z016734@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi,

I booted the F16 beta live desktop CD (x86_64) and most (?) things just
don't start, like firefox. A terminal works and when I there start
firefox from the command line it immediately exits with rc 1.

>From games for example mines works, but sudoku doesn't.

Is there something horribly wrong with this live CD? My checksum
is correct (at least before flashing to USB...).

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:46:32 +0100
From: Martin Airs <martin@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Todays f16 updates broken my KDE
To: kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, For testing and quality assurance of
 Fedora releases <test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 13:51:11 Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 17:38 +0100, Martin Airs wrote:
> > On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 17:19:12 Martin Airs wrote:
> > > On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 11:15:50 Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > Probably a variant of:
> > > > 733462 - glibc-2.14.90-6 causes kdeinit4 to segfault
> > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733462
> > > > 
> > > > fixed in -7 and newer.
> > > > 
> > > > -- rex
> > > 
> > > Oh lol, however -7 and newer brakes NVIDIA :)
> > > 
> > > hmm, ok thanks Rex
> > > 
> > > Martin
> > 
> > sorry just a quickie, if glibc had a patch in -5 which stopped the
> > segfault in glx apps, did that then get passed on up to -6 -7 and so
> > on?
> > 
> > if so then why doesn't the latest glibc work?
> > 
> > and how come the an earlier nividia driver works with xorg 1.11.1-1, but
> > the latest doesn't.
> > 
> > sorry I don't expect you to have all the answer's, but what do you
> > recommend I do, I now have to wait for glibc, qt, kdelibs, and nvidia
> > to catch up now.
> > 
> > or does a new glibc fix all these issues, bar the nvidia one??
> 
> They're two different bugs. -5 was completely broken - it caused just
> about everything in the world to crash, no matter what your graphics
> card is - and also it introduced a change which stopped NVIDIA working.
> 
> Somewhere around -8 or so the complete breakage was fixed, but the
> change which prevents the NVIDIA driver working right has never been
> touched. It's been in every build of glibc since.
> 
> If you want a working glibc+NVIDIA, you either have to run 2.14.90-4, or
> use the latest build with the patch from
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=737223 , which reverts the
> specific change in glibc that stopped NVIDIA working.

OK so to recap, I'm using an old Nvidia driver because the latest one
doesn't 
support the Xorg 1.11.1-1 ABI
I'm using an old glibc because the latest one seg faults glx apps(ie
glxgears)

Nvidia 275.28
glibc-2.14.90-5 patched from 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=742714)

and now I have updates.....
kdelibs-4.7.1-2.fc16.1
kdelibs-common-4.7.1-2.fc16.1
kdelibs-devel-4.7.1-2.fc16.1
qt-4.8.0-0.12.20111002.fc16
qt-4.8.0-0.12.20111002.fc16
qt-config-4.8.0-0.12.20111002.fc16
qt-devel-4.8.0-0.12.20111002.fc16
qt-mysql-4.8.0-0.12.20111002.fc16
qt-x11-4.8.0-0.12.20111002.fc16
qt-x11-4.8.0-0.12.20111002.fc16

which if I install causes kdeinit4 not to work.

the latest glibc in the repos is 2.14.90-10, I asume this doesn't
include the 
patch from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=737223, which if
i 
install causes glx apps to segfault

so if I install the glibc -10 from 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=737223 will that let me
install 
the latest updates of kdelibs and qt and not segfault glx apps? then all
I 
need to do is wait for nvidia to support the ABI from the latest Xorg??

sorry to be pain
Martin
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:58:17 -0400
From: Al Dunsmuir <al.dunsmuir@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Unable to install Fedora 16 beta on 32-bit machine with XP
 dual boot
To: test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Folks,

I have a 32-bit test machine (Dell GX270, 1TB SATA, 2GB RAM) running XP
(SP3) where I had successfully installed the Fedora 15 beta last release
(500 MB boot, no LVM), and continued to use (in GNOME compatibility
mode,
the Radeon 7500 PCI video card not being rich enough for the full GNOME
Shell).

I'd tried to install from the F16 beta DVD, and shrink the F15 partition
so I could run both F15 and F16 side-by-side. The shrink worked, but the
subsequent install of install of the F16 beta failed.

I tried again, with the F16 i686 LiveCD. It booted fine, but I ran into
the ""you have not created a bootloader stage1 device" error. I tried
again blowing away the F15 partitions, but without success. I have added
my own comments to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739389.
Before installing the F15 beta, I had an experimental Ubuntu (my
regular Linux being Fedora, but I wanted to check things out) 9.04, and
later 10.04 partition dual booted with the same XP. When I installed
11.04 withUnity, it was aweful - the system was up but no windows or
text
was visible... hence the F15 beta.

There seems to be a theme of problems with migration from older Fedora
grub to grub2 in existing machines (especially when one has other
partitions that can not be blown away, and even more so with 32-bit XP
which does _not_ support GPT.

Surely my experience is not typical? Suggestions anyone?
Al



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 12:07:44 -0400
From: Jonathan Kamens <jik@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: F16 Beta yum upgrade and initial impressions report
To: For testers of Fedora development releases
 <test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <4E8F23D0.5070908@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I did a yum distro-sync upgrade 
<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum> last night 
from F15 to F16 beta on my x86_64 desktop with an ASUS P5Q SE2 
motherboard. Here are the problems I encountered and my initial
impressions.

I've been away from this list for a while, so forgive me if some of 
these issues have already been brought up here.

My machine wouldn't boot after the upgrade. When it got the point where 
grub should have started doing something, it displayed a black screen 
with the dreaded "Error 18" message at the top. I did a little research 
and discovered that grub is being replaced with grub2 in F16. I don't 
know if this replacement would have happened automatically if I'd used 
preupgrade instead of yum distro-sync. Here's what I had to do to solve 
the problem:

 1. Boot from an install DVD in rescue mode.
 2. Copy the os-prober and grub2 RPMs from the install DVD into
 /mnt/sysimage.
 3. Chroot to /mnt/sysimage and do the following:
 1. "rpm -e grub" and "rpm -U os-prober*.rpm grub2*.rpm".
 2. Run "/sbin/grub2-mkdevicemap --no-floppy" to avoid bug 732076
 <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732076>.
 3. Generate a grub2 config with "/sbin/grub2-mkconfig >
 /boot/grub2/grub.cfg".
 4. "/sbin/grub2-install /dev/sda".

I don't know if grub is supposed to keep working in F16 for people who 
don't want to switch over to grub2. If so, then there's clearly a 
problem here, although I'm not going to file a bug about it because like

I said I don't know if it's supposed to keep working.

I've updated the yum distro-sync page on the Wiki to document the need 
to switch to grub2. I'd be much obliged if people would look over my 
changes 
<https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum&diff=256261&oldid=254667>

to make sure they're OK.

Somehow when I was in the process of rebooting repeatedly trying to 
figure out why grub wouldn't boot, the BIOS decided to lose its NVRAM 
settings and I had to reset them. I don't know why this happened, but I 
doubt it has anything to do with Linux. The only reason I upgrade is 
because it caused my sound to stop working later because the BIOS 
setting for the front panel reverted to the default, High Definition 
Audio, when it should have been set to AC97. It took me quite a while to

figure that out; until I did, I was blaming the upgrade for the fact 
that my sound had stopped working, when in fact it wasn't responsible.

I had cups enabled to start on boot in F15. That was lost in the upgrade

to F16. I've filed bug 744223 
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=744223> about this. It was 
closed with a comment that I should use "use systemd-sysv-convert 
--apply cups" to carry over the settings. I have to say that I think 
this is incredibly poor design. If I'm a user doing an upgrade, I sure 
as hell do not want to have to go through every single upgraded package 
and carry over all the settings automatically. The transition from SysV 
to systemd should have included the design and implementation of a 
mechanism for carrying over this information automatically. I had the 
same problem with saslauthd.

There's a similar problem with openvpn, but "systemd-sysv-convert 
--apply openvpn" doesn't solve it. I've filed bug 744244 
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=744244> about this.

Is there a way to get systemctl to list services that are not enabled? I

couldn't find one.

In the course of the upgrade I went from emacs-23.2-19.fc15 to 
emacs-23.3-7.fc16. After the upgrade, /usr/bin/emacs was still the old 
23.2 emacs binary. There have been problems in the past with the emacs 
RPM not doing the right thing, so it's possible that I had created 
/usr/bin/emacs as a hard link so alternatives was unwilling to remove 
it. Having said that, when I removed it myself and then ran "yum 
reinstall emacs", the /usr/bin/emacs link was fixed, but 
/usr/bin/emacs-23.3 was replaced with a zero-length file! At least, I 
think that's what happened. All in all, something seems very fragile in 
how the emacs RPM handles the alternatives stuff, but I'm not equipped 
to reproduce it, so I'm not comfortable filing a bug about it.

Gnome-shell-extension-dock is apparently broken. Not only that, but it 
has the ability to hang or crash gnome-shell when you try to use it. 
I've filed bug 744227 
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=744227> about this.

I've gotten the "Something has gone wrong and you need to log out and 
log back" screen from gnome-shell several times. There have also been 
several instances where the shell has started behaving funkily and I 
needed to stop and restart prefdm.service from another virtual terminal.

Some of these were when I was trying to get the dock extension to work, 
but not all of them were. There was at least one instance where the 
shell was broken (couldn't change window focus, buttons were missing 
from window title bars), immediately when I logged in, before I'd even 
done anything. None of this is reproducible enough to report as a bug, 
but it's worrisome.

F16 still has a problem that I first noticed in F15. When I first log 
in, the volume control in the top bar shows only the Volume slider, 
i.e., the Microphone slider is missing. At some point after I log in, 
the Microphone slider suddenly starts showing up in the drop-down. I 
assume that I'm doing something that causes that to happen, but I've 
been unable to figure out what it is. I've filed Bug 744240 
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=744240> about this.

A few minutes ago I caught gnome-shell consuming a huge amount of CPU 
and hosing my machine. I don't know what caused it to do that, but 
restarting it with Alt-F2 r made it stop, at least for the time being. 
If it happens again I'll file a bug or try to find out if someone else 
has already done so.

I just encountered an interesting Google Chrome bug. I don't know if 
it's unique to F16 or is also in F15, and it's also probably not a 
Fedora bug but rather is Chrome's fault, but it's amusing enough that I 
thought I'd mention it... If you have multiple monitors, and you 
maximize a Chrome window on a non-primary monitor and then hit F11 to go

into full-screen mode, you can't get out of full-screen mode: hitting 
F11 again flashes in non-full-screen mode briefly and then reverts to 
full-screen mode. This doesn't happen on your primary monitor, and it 
doesn't happen if the window isn't maximized before you hit F11. It also

doesn't happen with Firefox.

I just recently added my secondary monitor, and I found it interesting 
to discover today when playing with workspaces in F16 that the 
non-primary monitors are ignored, and apparently that is by design 
<https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609258>.

After the upgrade from F15 to F16, suspend on idle got turned on, i.e., 
the "Suspend when inactive for:" setting in the "Power" pane of the 
system settings app, even though it certainly wasn't turned on before 
the upgrade. I've filed bug 744257 
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=744257> about this.

If I have a data CD in the CD-ROM drive, then every time I log in a 
notification shows up at the bottom of the screen asking me whether I 
want to open the files on the CD or eject it. This is somewhat annoying.

In my opinion, the notification should only be displayed when a CD is 
inserted, not when one was there already at login.

I installed the gnome-shell-extension-icon-manager RPM and restarted 
gnome-shell, but it still doesn't show up in the list of available 
extensions. I added a comment about this to bug 734904 
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=734904>, which is sort of 
related to this issue.

That's all for now. Congratulations if you've made it this far. :-)

 jik

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