On 07/21/2011 11:26 AM, agraham wrote: Replying here only once, this is not content for test@ IMHO > I disagree with the propaganda pumped out by RH et al about Fedora being > a only test bed for RHEL. I don't know who is telling that, but people at Red Hat for sure do not. We think of Fedora as the upstream for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. > Fedora is community driven and owned by the > commuinty, but sometimes I really get the feeling there is another > agenda at work here, namely the disrupted changes added with each new > Fedora release which prevents it becoming really stable, an example of > this is indeed systemd, (other examples are Network Manager, Pulseaudio > back in 2007), these "pre-alpha" where "dumped" into fedora, replacing > major subsystems with little or no testing whatsoever and have caused > huge amounts of pain and time wasting, this of course backs-up the > propaganda and agenda I mentioned earlier. Well, Ubuntu isn't anything better in that regard. That's what development is for IMHO. If you are looking for a rock-solid, stable OS with support - Red Hat has a subscription for that ;-) Fedora is fast moving, sometimes more experimental as others, brave to try where others discuss, based on technical advancement. > I don't use RHEL (unless there is a really good use case e.g. production > DB) because it's basically just OLDWARE, and CENTOS is even OLDEWARE. Progress, stability, free - pick two, getting all is a real problem ... You want progress and free? --> Fedora You want Stability and free? --> CentOS You want Stability and Progress? --> Red Hat Enterpise Linux At least IMHO Jan -- Jan H Wildeboer | EMEA Open Source Affairs | Office: +49 (0)89 205071-207 Red Hat GmbH | Mobile: +49 (0)174 33 23 249 Technopark II, Haus C | Fax: +49 (0)89 205071-111 Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 | 85630 Grasbrunn | _____________________________________________________________________ Reg. Adresse: Red Hat GmbH, Technopark II, Haus C, Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 85630 Grasbrunn, Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Muenchen HRB 153243 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Brendan Lane, Charlie Peters, Michael Cunningham, Charles Cachera _____________________________________________________________________ GPG Key: 3AC3C8AB Fingerprint: 3D1E C4E0 DD67 E16D E47A 9564 A72F 5C39 3AC3 C8AB -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test