A week or so ago I started experimenting with the GNU Mailman mailing list software. For some reason, sendmail on Fedora 15 would not send mail from my server to the outside world. So I tried postfix, then exim. Each had some sort of problem doing their required functions under Fedora 15. A brain damaged system-config-services didn't help. I was almost getting used to KDE but with important Linux parts broken I just gave up. I did a fresh install of Fedora 14 and updated it. It was a breath of fresh air to have "services" work again. No need to manually start sendmail and other services. At the same time I replaced the Nvidia card onthe server with a passively cooled ATI card. Between the card change and the software reversion, the console display doesn't seem to go blind anymore. I am posting this flame bait now in the hopes that Fedora 16 will not be the bagbiter Fedora 15 is. Gnome 2.xx banished to Centos and Scientific? I could live with that if "services", "add/remove software", et al. worked under KDE. It would be nice to have KDE available with a Gnome 2 style menu tree. And while we're at it, please test KDE "konsole" scrolling with vi. Before recommending to see figure.1 consider what happened to that system. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R caf@xxxxxxxx www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test