Two issues: first, I've noticed a number of times that selinux is there, which we usually have in permissive, but setroubleshoot is *not* installed. Is there be some kind of dependency or group that it should be part of that's missing? I don't see why I need to manually install it.... Second - and I thought I knew the answer to this, but guess I don't - I see AVC's in the log file, but no sealerts - how do I start it up to give me them in messages? I see auditd is running.... mark -- selinux mailing list selinux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/selinux