And ya'll think that having problems with such a mundane subject as Fedora Core SELinux is a biggie, Kent obviously has much bigger (problem) fish to fry. About time I had a good laugh reading this email forum, but back to reality and getting my server to run without any help from the Internet "assistants" that stop often to help me by inputing code or something that trys to overfill the buffers or evade detection by my router/firewalls. Ho-Hum. -- .................steve w5set