FYI: I found this list email address in the new O'Reilly book: "SELINUX NSA's Open Source Security Enhanced Linux" by Bill McCarty ... which just hit the street. On pg 198, it posts this email address as a place to review postings. You may expect many more hits due to this new published work. I have been a follower of SELinux for over 3 years: since attending Stephen Smalley's presentation at USENIX June 2001 in Boston. I have explored quite a bit with SELinux, LIDS, and other implementations of the Linux kernel capabilities features. regards, ed -- Ed Franks Contracted to: SysAdmin - Solaris/Linux/Security o CIO Office UNISYS Federal Systems _.<\-' Air Force Research Lab Albuquerque, New Mexico ...(_)/_(_) Kirtland AFB