On Saturday, 20 September 2008 at 11:34, Axel Thimm wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 08:09:15PM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > On Friday, 19 September 2008 at 19:01, Axel Thimm wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 02:59:22PM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > > > On Friday, 19 September 2008 at 09:59, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 10:34 +0300, Axel Thimm wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > Just to quote one such example: ffmpeg is a fast moving target, and > > > > > > any project depending on the lib API is cutting a checkout, patching > > > > > > it a up and using it for its own purposes. Replacing these internal > > > > > > ffmpegs with a system ffmpeg is a nightmare or even impossible w/o > > > > > > rewriting the app interface to it. Given that ffmpeg and friends fall > > > > > > under the patent forbidden class we don't see that directly in Fedora, > > > > > > but this issue is still out there. > > > > > Well, ffmpeg is a special case wrt. many issues. If they were doing a > > > > > proper job, they would release properly versioned packages with properly > > > > > versioned APIs, which could be installed in parallel. > > > > > > > > They(we) don't have the manpower to do proper releases, but we do maintain > > > > properly versioned API/ABI. The position of a release manager for FFmpeg > > > > has been open for months. Many people complained, but nobody is willing > > > > to do the legwork. > > > > > > Actually I did, you can read it up at the archives, but the ffmpeg > > > devs didn't think this would be a good idea. The only positive > > > comments were from other distribution packagers that would have even > > > joined the release team taskforce, but w/o the developers' blessing > > > (and at the very least a "do it now" assignment) there wasn't much we > > > could do. > > > > I've just re-read that thread and AFAICT nobody said it wasn't a good idea. > > At least one developer offered to help. You even offered to prepare a release > > candidate but never did. > > Please check the "ranks" of the developers, some of them were even > banned from ffmpeg, I have no idea what you're talking about. Who was banned, exactly? > and how on earth could I prepare a release if the > developers decide not to allow for scm access? I never saw you asking for that. Regards, R. PS. Feel free to continue off-list, this is getting off-topic. -- Fedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rathann Livna http://rpm.livna.org | MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu "Faith manages." -- Delenn to Lennier in Babylon 5:"Confessions and Lamentations" -- Fedora-packaging mailing list Fedora-packaging@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-packaging
