On Friday, 19 September 2008 at 18:58, Axel Thimm wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 02:56:25PM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > On Friday, 19 September 2008 at 09:34, Axel Thimm wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 01:41:50AM +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > > > > So I know we have > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Duplication_of_system_libraries > > > > which I think is pretty good, easy to understand and fairly simple. > > > > > > > > The problem I think is that some upstream's still want to ship > > > > internal, modified libraries. > > > > > > > Upstream says "it's a guideline not a rule". > > > > > > > > _MY_ question is, what can we (Fedora) do to make it clear that we have > > > > clear cut rules for why we don't want packages providing internal > > > > libraries? > > [...] > > > Just to quote one such example: ffmpeg is a fast moving target, and > > > any project depending on the lib API is cutting a checkout, patching > > > it a up and using it for its own purposes. Replacing these internal > > > ffmpegs with a system ffmpeg is a nightmare or even impossible w/o > > > rewriting the app interface to it. Given that ffmpeg and friends fall > > > under the patent forbidden class we don't see that directly in Fedora, > > > but this issue is still out there. > > > > I don't know if you've been following FFmpeg development lately, but > > they have improved over the last year or so to the point that no ABI > > breakage occurs > > Note I mentioned the API, which is still changing on a regular > basis. For ffmpeg it doesn't actually help that there are no releases > ever either. API is not changing on a regular basis either. If there are incompatible changes, they are accompanied by a major version bump. > > without bumping the major version of the affected library. The > > pkg-config support is put properly in place, too, so if you haven't > > done that already, it's high time to begin convincing depdendent > > projects to start supporting shared FFmpeg. I've already begun > > working on fixing the main consumer of FFmpeg, MPlayer, to do that. > > Unless ffmpeg actually releases anything again I doubt that too many > projects will try to depend on an external shared lib whose API > stability window is a few weeks. Actually most of what we have in livna/rpmfusion does work with external shared libs. And the API stability window is rather closer to 3 years. Regards, R. -- Fedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rathann Livna http://rpm.livna.org | MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu "Faith manages." -- Delenn to Lennier in Babylon 5:"Confessions and Lamentations" -- Fedora-packaging mailing list Fedora-packaging@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-packaging
