Jesse Keating wrote:
3. Kicking kernel module packages out of Core / Extras and moving the debate away from us so that we can focus on the more important things. I vote for #3.
This one has come out of left-field to me. Nobody AFAIK has previously proposed throwing out kernel modules altogether. I also don't think it makes sense because, notwithstanding the RPM problems, there are plenty of useful kernel modules that exist and are maintained (for various reasons, good or bad, right or wrong) outside the kernel tree. I don't see why kernel modules are any less useful than other random FE packages, just because they're in kernel space. FE is supposed to be a maximal set of software, right? That's at odds with a rule disallowing any kernel modules. Why shouldn't kernel modules be included, exactly? Excluding them just because of the problems with packaging seems rather like throwing the baby out with the bath water. FWIW, although the kmod stuff seems "nicer" in a way, I've been relatively convinced by what Axel has had to say about kmdl. They're both trying to make the best of a bad job; kmdl seems to have slightly fewer problems. And for those that say RHEL is nothing to do with Fedora: true theoretically, but if you look at: a) the number of Fedora devs who are RH employees b) the number of Fedora users who also use/build packages for RHEL and derivatives either for work, fun or both then I think it's worth at least *considering* the potential annoyance/confusion of RHEL/Fedora having two different schemes. Regardless of the outcome I'd like to thank Axel in particular and all the other contributors to the debate so far for their time and energy. I don't think anyone finds this stuff terribly exciting as I think we'd all rather be *using* packages than debating the finer details of which packaging scheme is better than another, but this stuff is important in the big picture both of getting the best technical solution and making Fedora the best distro with a wide choice of well-packaged software. Whilst we shouldn't pander to any special interest, I do believe it's in all our interests to at least pay serious attention to the input from well-established third party contributors like Axel who have done so much in the past few years to bring a large base of add-on software to RHL/RHEL/Fedora. They have very useful practical experience of various techniques applied to a relatively large audience and this knowledge (and established packages) can only benefit Fedora. Tim -- Fedora-packaging mailing list Fedora-packaging@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-packaging
