[Bug 815018] Review Request: nodejs - javascript fast build framework

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=815018

Toshio Ernie Kuratomi <a.badger@xxxxxxxxx> changed:

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--- Comment #43 from Toshio Ernie Kuratomi <a.badger@xxxxxxxxx> ---
Could we all take a moment to think of other ways to resolve our problems?  I
think that language differences are playing a role in inflating the differences
here but that there's also a basic conflict that we should try to address
calmly.

Fedora is a Project as well as a Product.  The project aims not just to produce
the Fedora distribution but also to teach people how to be better packagers and
to foster a collaborative environment for people to make that eventual Fedora
distribution the best that it can be.

@adrian - you do have experience with rpm packaging.  But there are many things
about packaging for Fedora and working on upstream projects that you may not
have experience with.  The free software ecosystem is very large and diverse so
this is always going to be the case.  I have been working on the Packaging
Guidelines since the beginning of Fedora and there are definitely types of
packages that I *would* be a newbie at packaging.  There's no shame in this.

With this package, we're running across some things that you might not have
dealt with before. What is a bundled library?  How do I deal with them?  What
changes to the upstream code do I have to make to fix those?  Some of those
answers are on the
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Treatment_Of_Bundled_Libraries page
that has already been linked.  Others are expected to be general knowledge by
people who are doing packaging.  Still others require someone to learn the
programming language the upstream is written in, become involved with the
upstream communities, and submit patches to them to fix issues.

These are big commitments of time and effort.  sgallagh has started investing
that time.  Unless you are willing to put in that time and start examining the
source code, figuring out what changes have been made, looking for ways to
merge those patches upstream, and in general, becoming just as much a member of
the upstream community as you are a member of the Fedora community, it would be
extremely beneficial for you to do everything in your power to accommodate him. 

@mrunge - In Fedora, we give people the opportunity to succeed or fail and more
importantly, the opportunity to learn while they are failing and then correct
their mistakes.  We cannot pay people with money for the work that they are
willing to do.  Instead we "pay" them by teaching them to be better packagers
and helping them to achieve things that they could not do on their own.  In
some cases, like this, it may well be faster and more efficient to do the work
yourself than to have to teach another person as you're doing that work.  But
if we don't take the time to teach we'll gradually marginalize people outside
of our "inner circle" and then Fedora will shrink and die.

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