Re: [PlanetCCRMA] f7: jack/alsa crackle w/ cardbus and hdsp multiface

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Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 10:20 -0700, Scott Davidson wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I recently upgraded from fc5 to f7 and have since been having problems 
>> using a Multiface II card with the cardbus adapter. The output from any 
>> jack app is choppy and there is background crackle as well. Jack/Alsa 
>> both work fine on the internal laptop card. From the /var/log/messages 
>> output, it looks like there *might* be a hardware/pci problem:
>>
>> Some interesting dmesg output:
>> (if I boot with the default arguments)
>> PCI: Bus #03 (-#06) is hidden behind transparent bridge #02 (-#02) (try 
>> 'pci=assign-busses')
>> PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 0000:02:03.0
>>
>> (if I boot the kernel with 'lapic pci=assign-busses, i still get)
>> PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 0000:02:03.0 
>>
>> I'm not sure if that is a red herring, but that happens to be the 
>> location of the cardbus bridge. I've been testing this using PureData 
>> and their sin wave sound card test, but all jack applications seem to 
>> exhibit this problem.  I've tried recording the output directly from  PD 
>> and playing it back on the internal card, and the artifacts are found in 
>> the recording. I've also tried disabling drm and selinux with no luck. 
>> This occurs on both the stock kernels and the rt-kernels (with either 
>> the default alsa, or the kernel module Fernando just made). From looking 
>> at the IRQs, it looks like IRQ10 is pretty full, but that seemed to work 
>> fine for FC5.
>
> Exact same hardware as before? It does look like a kernel problem in the
> mainline kernel. 
>

Yes, it's the same hardware that was working on FC5.

>> Is anyone using successfully using hdsp/multiface on F7 using the CCRMA 
>> repo packages? Does anyone have any additional troubleshooting ideas?
>
> I used one briefly to test it in my laptop. I was running 64x2 with no
> problems, but the test was not very long. 
>
> The only thing that jumps at me from the data in the email are the
> latencies of the pci bus cards. The pci cards that have them are set to
> 128 and the hdsp is set to 255. Is that because you tried to optimize
> them?
>
> I normally see latencies on the order of 64... If you lower them, does
> it make any difference?
>
> -- Fernando
>
>

Those are the default pci latency timer settings. As you suggested, I
lowered the latencies on several devices:

00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to AGP
Controller (rev 21)
Latency: 16 (was 128)

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility
Radeon 9600 M10]
Latency: 20 (was 128)

02:03.0 CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc CB1410 Cardbus Controller
(rev 01)
Latency: 32 (was 168)

03:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: Xilinx Corporation RME Hammerfall
DSP (rev 32)
Latency: 64 (was 255)

I set everything else to latency = 0, including ethernet, wireless, and
firewire (which I don't currently use anyways).  Unfortunately,  this
doesn't seem to have any effect on the symptoms.  Does setpci perhaps
require either a system reboot or a restart of alsa? (btw, is
/etc/rc.d/init.d/alsasound missing in F7? I saw a few threads on this
for FC6, but there didn't seem to be a resolution). In any event, are
these new values more reasonable for a laptop? I did find a few
informative links on this issue, and it sounds like many people swear by
tweaking those latency values
(http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundLatency.html, which also includes
links to other pci latency pages, if anyone is interested).

Anyways, I will try disabling devices one-by-one this weekend, and if
that doesn't help, I'll probably try building an older kernel.

Thanks for the help,
-Scott

>
>> Misc system info
>> -----------------------
>>
>> $ cat .jackdrc
>> jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:2 -r48000 -p2048 -n2 -i18 -o18
>>
>>
>> $ cat /proc/interrupts
>>            CPU0      
>>   0:      88908    XT-PIC-XT        timer
>>   1:         10    XT-PIC-XT        i8042
>>   2:          0    XT-PIC-XT        cascade
>>   6:          1    XT-PIC-XT        wbsd
>>   7:          1    XT-PIC-XT        parport0
>>   8:          3    XT-PIC-XT        rtc
>>   9:        589    XT-PIC-XT        acpi
>>  10:      74655    XT-PIC-XT        yenta, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, 
>> uhci_hcd:usb3, ehci_hcd:usb4, ohci1394, ipw2200, hdsp, Intel 
>> 82801DB-ICH4, Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem, eth0, radeon@pci:0000:01:00.0
>>  12:        120    XT-PIC-XT        i8042
>>  14:      16108    XT-PIC-XT        libata
>>  15:       4665    XT-PIC-XT        libata
>> NMI:    1312981
>> LOC:     131080
>> ERR:          0
>> MIS:          0
>>
>>
>> $ cat /proc/asound/devices
>>   2:        : timer
>>   3:        : sequencer
>>   4: [ 2- 0]: raw midi
>>   5: [ 2- 0]: digital audio playback
>>   6: [ 2- 0]: digital audio capture
>>   7: [ 2- 0]: hardware dependent
>>   8: [ 2]   : control
>>   9: [ 0- 4]: digital audio playback
>>  10: [ 0- 3]: digital audio capture
>>  11: [ 0- 2]: digital audio capture
>>  12: [ 0- 1]: digital audio capture
>>  13: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
>>  14: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
>>  15: [ 0]   : control
>>  16: [ 1- 0]: digital audio playback
>>  17: [ 1- 0]: digital audio capture
>>  18: [ 1]   : control
>>
>>
>> $ cat /proc/asound/cards
>>  0 [I82801DBICH4   ]: ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
>>                       Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with ALC250 at irq 10
>>  1 [Modem          ]: ICH-MODEM - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem
>>                       Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem at irq 10
>>  2 [DSP            ]: H-DSP - Hammerfall DSP
>>                       RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface at 0xd4000000, irq
>>                       10
>>
>>
>> $ cat /etc/modprobe.conf
>> alias eth0 8139too
>> alias scsi_hostadapter ata_piix
>> alias scsi_hostadapter1 usb-storage
>> alias eth1 ipw2200
>> alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0
>> alias snd-card-2 snd-hdsp
>> alias snd-slot-2 snd-hdsp
>> #install snd-intel8x0 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 && 
>> /usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
>> #remove snd-intel8x0 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; }; 
>> /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-intel8x0
>> options ipw2200 hwcrypto=0 associate=0 
>> options snd-intel8x0 index=0 
>> options snd-hdsp index=2 
>>
>>
>> $ cat /proc/asound/version
>> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14rc3 (Wed Mar 14 
>> 07:25:50 2007 UTC).
>>
>>
>> $ cat /proc/asound/DSP/hdsp
>> RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface (Card #3)
>> Buffers: capture f6400000 playback f6600000
>> IRQ: 10 Registers bus: 0xd4000000 VM: 0xf8ab4000
>> Control register: 0x10040de
>> Control2 register: 0x0
>> Status register: 0x2000000
>> Status2 register: 0xffff0703
>> FIFO status: 0
>> MIDI1 Output status: 0xffffff00
>> MIDI1 Input status: 0xffffff00
>> MIDI2 Output status: 0xffffff00
>> MIDI2 Input status: 0xffffff00
>> Use Midi Tasklet: on
>>
>> Buffer Size (Latency): 8192 samples (2 periods of 32768 bytes)
>> Hardware pointer (frames): 0
>> Precise pointer: off
>> Line out: on
>> Firmware version: 5
>>
>> Sample Clock Source: Internal 48 kHz
>> Preferred Sync Reference: ADAT1
>> AutoSync Reference: None
>> AutoSync Frequency: 0
>> System Clock Mode: Master
>> System Clock Frequency: 48000
>> System Clock Locked: No
>>
>> IEC958 input: Coaxial
>> IEC958 output: Coaxial only
>> IEC958 quality: Consumer
>> IEC958 emphasis: off
>> IEC958 NonAudio: off
>> IEC958 sample rate: Error flag set
>>
>> ADAT1: No Lock
>> SPDIF: No Lock
>> Word Clock: No Lock
>> ADAT Sync: No Lock
>>
>>
>> $ /sbin/lspci -vv
>> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to I/O 
>> Controller (rev 21)
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0012
>>         Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort+ >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 0
>>         Region 0: Memory at b0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
>>         Capabilities: <access denied>
>>
>> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to AGP 
>> Controller (rev 21) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap- 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 128
>>         Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=32
>>         I/O behind bridge: 0000c000-0000dfff
>>         Memory behind bridge: e0000000-efffffff
>>         Prefetchable memory behind bridge: a0000000-afffffff
>>         Secondary status: 66MHz+ FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort+ <SERR- <PERR-
>>         BridgeCtl: Parity- SERR+ NoISA+ VGA+ MAbort- >Reset- FastB2B-
>>
>> 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM 
>> (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0012
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 0
>>         Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 4: I/O ports at 1200 [size=32]
>>
>> 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM 
>> (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0012
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 0
>>         Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 4: I/O ports at 1600 [size=32]
>>
>> 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM 
>> (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0012
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 0
>>         Interrupt: pin C routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 4: I/O ports at 1700 [size=32]
>>
>> 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 
>> EHCI Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0012
>>         Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 0
>>         Interrupt: pin D routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 0: Memory at f4000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>>         [size=1K]
>>         Capabilities: <access denied>
>>
>> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 83) 
>> (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR+
>>         Latency: 0
>>         Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=06, sec-latency=32
>>         I/O behind bridge: 0000a000-0000bfff
>>         Memory behind bridge: d0000000-dfffffff
>>         Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 90000000-9fffffff
>>         Secondary status: 66MHz- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort+ <SERR- <PERR-
>>         BridgeCtl: Parity- SERR+ NoISA+ VGA- MAbort- >Reset- FastB2B-
>>
>> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface 
>> Bridge (rev 03)
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle+ MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 0
>>
>> 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE 
>> Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0012
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 0
>>         Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 0: I/O ports at 01f0 [size=8]
>>         Region 1: I/O ports at 03f4 [size=1]
>>         Region 2: I/O ports at 0170 [size=8]
>>         Region 3: I/O ports at 0374 [size=1]
>>         Region 4: I/O ports at 1100 [size=16]
>>         Region 5: Memory at 50000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>>         [size=1K]
>>
>> 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) 
>> SMBus Controller (rev 03)
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0012
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 4: I/O ports at 1400 [size=32]
>>
>> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM 
>> (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0017
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 0
>>         Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 0: I/O ports at e000 [size=256]
>>         Region 1: I/O ports at e100 [size=64]
>>         Region 2: Memory at f0000400 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>>         [size=512]
>>         Region 3: Memory at f0000600 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>>         [size=256]
>>         Capabilities: <access denied>
>>
>> 00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) 
>> AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [Generic])
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0012
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 0
>>         Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 0: I/O ports at e200 [size=256]
>>         Region 1: I/O ports at e300 [size=128]
>>         Capabilities: <access denied>
>>
>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility 
>> Radeon 9600 M10] (prog-if 00 [VGA])
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0012
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 128 (2000ns min), Cache Line Size: 16 bytes
>>         Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 0: Memory at a8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
>>         Region 1: I/O ports at c100 [size=256]
>>         Region 2: Memory at e0010000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>>         [size=64K]
>>         [virtual] Expansion ROM at a0000000 [disabled] [size=128K]
>>         Capabilities: <access denied>
>>
>> 02:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host 
>> Controller (rev 80) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0012
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping+ SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 128 (8000ns max), Cache Line Size: 16 bytes
>>         Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 0: Memory at d0001800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>>         [size=2K]
>>         Region 1: I/O ports at a100 [size=128]
>>         Capabilities: <access denied>
>>
>> 02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. 
>> RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0012
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 128 (8000ns min, 16000ns max)
>>         Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 0: I/O ports at a000 [size=256]
>>         Region 1: Memory at d0001000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>>         [size=256]
>>         Capabilities: <access denied>
>>
>> 02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG 
>> Network Connection (rev 05)
>>         Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 2701
>>         Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 128 (750ns min, 6000ns max)
>>         Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 0: Memory at d0000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>>         [size=4K]
>>         Capabilities: <access denied>
>>
>> 02:03.0 CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc CB1410 Cardbus Controller 
>> (rev 01)
>>         Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Unknown device 0012
>>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 168, Cache Line Size: 128 bytes
>>         Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 0: Memory at d0002000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>>         [size=4K]
>>         Bus: primary=02, secondary=03, subordinate=06, sec-latency=176
>>         Memory window 0: 90000000-93fff000 (prefetchable)
>>         Memory window 1: d4000000-d7fff000
>>         I/O window 0: 0000a400-0000a4ff
>>         I/O window 1: 0000a800-0000a8ff
>>         BridgeCtl: Parity- SERR- ISA- VGA- MAbort- >Reset- 16bInt- 
>> PostWrite+
>>         16-bit legacy interface ports at 0001
>>
>> 03:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: Xilinx Corporation RME Hammerfall 
>> DSP (rev 32)
>>         Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- 
>> ParErr- Stepping+ SERR- FastB2B-
>>         Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
>> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>>         Latency: 255
>>         Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 10
>>         Region 0: Memory at d4000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>>         [size=64K]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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